Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

FBaggins

(28,081 posts)
84. Of course it was "the economy stupid"
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:33 AM
Nov 2024

One thing missing from all the counter speculation is an acceptance that voters were asked the question explicitly and there isn’t really any room for debate.

68% of the electorate said the economy was poor or “not good”. They went for Trump 70-28%

Impressions on the economy didn’t change when Biden dropped out. If anything - they should have improved because the news was generally positive. It’s unsupportable spin to claim that a white guy at the top of the ticket would have done better.

Note that this isn’t a denial of racism or misogyny in the electorate. But that’s not really the point you have to defend. The problem here is that you have to defend a very narrow type of racism/misogyny that supports someone for VP but not president

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I think it's hard to pin it on any one thing. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #1
I agree that it wasn't just one thing, but I'm reading a lot of analyses Ocelot II Nov 2024 #4
It wasn't just one thing. It also wasn't just one constituency. InstantGratification Nov 2024 #18
Yes I don't buy the economy claim Tribetime Nov 2024 #70
I agree except... Trust_Reality Nov 2024 #89
I just want to say godblessyou for this post n/t BaronChocula Nov 2024 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Nov 2024 #16
Don't forget racism! Native Nov 2024 #17
it was the misogeny and the racsim Ray Bruns Nov 2024 #38
This white man is proud to have went for Harris EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #2
It wasn't the economy. That was an excuse. CousinIT Nov 2024 #3
Bingo. My point exactly. Ocelot II Nov 2024 #5
+1, the German economy was doing relatively well when Nazi part won 37% or parliament. The excuse that it was the ... uponit7771 Nov 2024 #7
JoJo from Jerz's mom didn't raise no idjits. soldierant Nov 2024 #41
☝🏾THIS!!☝🏾 Robison was ***JUST LIKE*** Trump without crime and MAGA dropped him like a hot rock and he lost !! uponit7771 Nov 2024 #6
"She is for they/them. He is for you." Duncan Grant Nov 2024 #8
"Culture war" krkaufman Nov 2024 #24
I like the way you put it Ohioboy Nov 2024 #76
They ran that gender-affirming care for incarcerated trans people commercial relentlessly. Shermann Nov 2024 #34
I have this feeling that MAGA, having got what they wanted ismnotwasm Nov 2024 #9
Repugs are the dogs that caught the car again. Trouble is they won't know what allegorical oracle Nov 2024 #15
I JUST sent that to a friend; "they caught the car, lets see what they do with it" hootman Nov 2024 #32
True. But we are here to point out, that this, is exactly what they voted for ismnotwasm Nov 2024 #36
I think it's the latter. calimary Nov 2024 #90
We need to wear T-shirts that say "Don't blame me for this, I voted for Kamala" FakeNoose Nov 2024 #31
Yup! ismnotwasm Nov 2024 #35
My neighboor flew a big ass flag that read " don't blame me , I voted for trump" during President Biden's term. debm55 Nov 2024 #42
It wasn't the economy Jrsygrl96 Nov 2024 #10
I think it's a lot more than Black and Latino men. Katinfl Nov 2024 #30
White women as well DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #40
Black Men voted for Harris in very similar percentages as they voted for Biden (77% vs 79%) Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #46
Don't say Black men. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #62
I'm not buying that entirely Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #82
If Trump was non white like the crazy North Carolina candidate JI7 Nov 2024 #11
"It's the economy, stupid." Carville's mantra. cachukis Nov 2024 #12
"No, it's about YOUR economy, stupid. Mine is really good!" Jit423 Nov 2024 #55
I think you missed my point. cachukis Nov 2024 #57
Yes, that explanation doesn't sit well with me Mike 03 Nov 2024 #13
white women who voted for him were probably living lives of quiet desperation of some degree, IMO. CTyankee Nov 2024 #19
White women vote white first, class second, women third. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #58
I know SO many white women who voted for him & I cant understand it. hootman Nov 2024 #33
I don't think it was ALL about the economy, but I do think it was PARTLY about the economy In It to Win It Nov 2024 #14
My current favorite quote: TxGuitar Nov 2024 #20
The economy was a cover story for Russia & Elon Musk's attack on our voting systems. Botany Nov 2024 #21
Just like we saw in 2016 much of their economic anxiety is already receding TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #22
I think the answer is pretty obvious..this country is too racist and misogynistic to elect a FE president PortTack Nov 2024 #23
Economists overwhelmingly agree Trump's policies will INCREASE inflation Martin Eden Nov 2024 #25
Democrats never defended the economy strongly enough. kentuck Nov 2024 #26
A brilliant, short piece about what voters were thinking Akakoji Nov 2024 #27
It was misinformation disinformation misinformation disinformation oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #28
Yes, an avalanche of disinformation... Trust_Reality Nov 2024 #91
The Repukes said it was "all about the economy" FakeNoose Nov 2024 #29
40+ years of trickle down economics has poli-junkie Nov 2024 #37
Have to address the stupid part of that Akakoji Nov 2024 #48
The economy is booming PennRalphie Nov 2024 #39
Chump won on a positive message is a tough sell. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #59
One of the other things which played into it DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #43
No, it WASN'T about the economy. And IMO, saying so just B.See Nov 2024 #44
Disagree Akakoji Nov 2024 #49
Well I don't think it was mainly the economy B.See Nov 2024 #56
But What Is The Trump Plan For Cheap Eggs? DallasNE Nov 2024 #45
I'm not buying the economy BS. If that's the case, you have no effin morals, no effin principles tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #47
The bulk of voters vote with what's poli-junkie Nov 2024 #50
It wasn't the economy Dlpger61 Nov 2024 #60
Tariffs, tax cuts for the super rich, austerity, vaccine hokum, 7 trillion of empty debt, mass deportations are going to TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #61
Plus a gazillion. love_katz Nov 2024 #69
It was about inflation and Republican propaganda Emile Nov 2024 #51
Ocelot II FTW. madaboutharry Nov 2024 #52
It was all about maintaining the white anglo male power base GoreWon2000 Nov 2024 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Nov 2024 #54
It isn't about the ones who voted for Harris. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #63
"And that is largely pocketbook economy and Gaza" TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #78
It was about the economy, get over it. Xolodno Nov 2024 #64
"Get over it"? Ocelot II Nov 2024 #65
Simple. They didn't show up. Xolodno Nov 2024 #66
More fucking stupid. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #75
Amazing, isn't it? dpibel Nov 2024 #77
Mindblowing indeed. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #80
If you are going to sell your nation and daughters for a dozen eggs TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #72
This here... Xolodno Nov 2024 #103
You identify where I'm wrong and I will earnestly consider it. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #104
Well, let me put it this way. Xolodno Nov 2024 #105
I know full well. I've been homeless for crying out loud. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #106
Understood. And I sympathize. Xolodno Nov 2024 #107
Thank you. I feel the argument is they behaved in a justifiable fashion so I'm glad TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #108
False. Jobs grew under Biden. yardwork Nov 2024 #93
You demonstrated my point perfectly. Xolodno Nov 2024 #99
You didn't say anything about low wages. yardwork Nov 2024 #100
I have in other posts... Xolodno Nov 2024 #101
What bugs me about that claim is that it was really the stupid misogyny, the hatred of women Hekate Nov 2024 #67
You are 100% correct. oasis Nov 2024 #68
Sometimes, I am embarrassed to be a white woman. BlueKentuckyGirl Nov 2024 #71
A sister from another mister. BattleRow Nov 2024 #73
economy, racism, misogyny, other bigotries... Kali Nov 2024 #74
"all about the Economy" is just racist misogynistic code for... MrWowWow Nov 2024 #79
Guessing nobody saw the NPR interview Friday Ontheboundry Nov 2024 #83
Of course it was "the economy stupid" FBaggins Nov 2024 #84
They are much more stupid than racist or sexist. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #110
The Canadian British Economist DAngelo136 Nov 2024 #85
It's not about the economy. In 3 months were going to be hearing that the economy is great. n/t D23MIURG23 Nov 2024 #86
By the end of January MAGA will be bragging to beat the band TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #111
Not the economy Linda ladeewolf Nov 2024 #87
Just a question bdamomma Nov 2024 #88
Of course! yardwork Nov 2024 #92
The threat of Trump's tariffs is already impacting how businesses operate, steering money away from bonuses and raises LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #94
Not buying the economy either. Sexism/racism. 58Sunliner Nov 2024 #95
It WASN'T The Economy PaulnFortWorth Nov 2024 #96
IN MY BRAIN It was All About National Security , Trump wanted the Office & the Office wanted bonniebgood Nov 2024 #97
Democrats lost the vote of people making under $50k for the first time iemanja Nov 2024 #98
Of course Opbrg Nov 2024 #102
It was NEVER about "the economy" Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #109
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Ya know what bugs me abou...»Reply #84