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In reply to the discussion: Ya know what bugs me about the claim that it was all about the economy? [View all]DAngelo136
(314 posts)85. The Canadian British Economist
Umair Haque broke this all down, in an article, that was linked to here in DU, 4 years ago titled: Americas Problem is That White People Want It to Be a Failed State Can America Solve the Problem of the White American Voter? Published in
Eudaimonia and Co Nov 1, 2020
He wrote the following:
"White Americans want America to be a failed state and that is its fundamental, deep, and long standing problem. That is how America ended up here more than half a century of white hostility to any kind of social progress whatsoever which resulted in social collapse, and culminated in Trumpism. White people made America a failed state."
Americas problem is that white Americans as a social group, its majority social group, want America to be a failed state. They dont want to live in a modern, civilized democracy, and never have.
Who voted, over and over again, to have worse lives? No healthcare, retirement, affordable education, childcare no public goods of any kind whatsoever? White Americans did. What the? The question baffles the world. Why would anyone choose a worse life? The answer is that white Americans would not accept a society of true equals. I wont pay for those dirty, filthy peoples educations, healthcare, retirements! Why, their grandparents were my grandpappys slaves! White Americans chose to retain power, supremacy, superiority, even in a failing society. They chose staying on top of decline and ruin, rather than prospering as equals.
It confounds people from all over the world. "How?" "Why?" they ask. The reason is very, very obvious.
White Americans are the rich worlds most hostile, ignorant, violent, cruel, and selfish social group by a very long way. Voting conservative after all doesnt mean nearly the same thing in Europe or Canada. There, even conservative parties agree on the basics people should have healthcare, education, retirement, that the only point of the public purse isnt endless war and death machines. Conservatism in America is off the charts, and so voting that way carries a very different meaning. It means that White Americans are the rich worlds most regressive, ignorant, and self-destructive political bloc by such a long way that they might as well not be in the rich world at all.(ibid)
This is the fundamental blind spot that Rev. Barber, Bernie Sanders, every so called "progressive", Liberal and yes, even Leftists refuse to see.
When pundits talk about "messaging", the only message that white Americans will ever respond to will be the repeal of the Voting Rights Act. That's what it would take. LBJ KNEW what was going to happen when he signed the bill in 1964 that the Democrats would lose the South for at least a generation; that's what Nixon's Southern Strategy was all about. And dammit, it worked. "It's the RACISM and now the MISOGYNY!"
The economy is the fig leaf rationale that covers the actual reason. Because white Americans' self image of themselves contradicts their very ugly actions, they gaslight themselves and others into believing the lie. But, actions speak louder than words, don't they?
Since 1964, no Democrat has won the majority of white votes. Now, what politically seismic event happened in 1964? Look at the voting patterns
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/what-about-white-voters/
Hello?
W.E.B. DuBois, who was a Socialist, who read Marx, observed that white Americans do not identify along class lines but racial ones:
"It must be remembered that the white group of laborers, while they received a low wage, were compensated in part by a sort of public and psychological wage. They were given public deference and titles of courtesy because they were white. They were admitted freely with all classes of white people to public functions, public parks, and the best schools. The police were drawn from their ranks, and the courts, dependent upon their votes, treated them with such leniency as to encourage lawlessness. Their vote selected public officials, and while this had small effect upon the economic situation, it had great effect upon their personal treatment and the deference shown them. White schoolhouses were the best in the community, and conspicuously placed, and they cost anywhere from twice to ten times as much per capita as the colored schools. The newspapers specialized on news that flattered the poor whites and almost utterly ignored the Negro except in crime and ridicule."From "Black Reconstruction in America: An Essay Toward a History of the Part Which Black Folk Played in the Attempt to Reconstruct Democracy in America, 18601880" (1935)
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What did LBJ say? "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
And they did, didn't they? He was basically robbing them and they voted for him anyway.
Face it, America. This is a country of white supremacists, misogynists, bigots and racists. White America has spoken. They chose, consistently, white male mediocrity over female and Black excellence. Black folks, especially Black women are done with maintaining the charade that Americans are serious about peace and prosperity. White Americans got us into this, only white Americans can fix it. But y'all got to get over your delusions, first.
If you don't understand white supremacy/racism ,everything that you do understand will only confuse you..― Neely Fuller, Jr., The United Independent Compensatory Code System Concept a textbook/workbook for Thought, Speech and/or Action for Victims of Racism
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Ya know what bugs me about the claim that it was all about the economy? [View all]
Ocelot II
Nov 10
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+1, the German economy was doing relatively well when Nazi part won 37% or parliament. The excuse that it was the ...
uponit7771
Nov 10
#7
☝🏾THIS!!☝🏾 Robison was ***JUST LIKE*** Trump without crime and MAGA dropped him like a hot rock and he lost !!
uponit7771
Nov 10
#6
They ran that gender-affirming care for incarcerated trans people commercial relentlessly.
Shermann
Nov 10
#34
Repugs are the dogs that caught the car again. Trouble is they won't know what
allegorical oracle
Nov 10
#15
I JUST sent that to a friend; "they caught the car, lets see what they do with it"
hootman
Nov 10
#32
We need to wear T-shirts that say "Don't blame me for this, I voted for Kamala"
FakeNoose
Nov 10
#31
My neighboor flew a big ass flag that read " don't blame me , I voted for trump" during President Biden's term.
debm55
Nov 10
#42
Black Men voted for Harris in very similar percentages as they voted for Biden (77% vs 79%)
Wiz Imp
Nov 10
#46
white women who voted for him were probably living lives of quiet desperation of some degree, IMO.
CTyankee
Nov 10
#19
I don't think it was ALL about the economy, but I do think it was PARTLY about the economy
In It to Win It
Nov 10
#14
The economy was a cover story for Russia & Elon Musk's attack on our voting systems.
Botany
Nov 10
#21
Just like we saw in 2016 much of their economic anxiety is already receding
TheKentuckian
Nov 10
#22
I think the answer is pretty obvious..this country is too racist and misogynistic to elect a FE president
PortTack
Nov 10
#23
I'm not buying the economy BS. If that's the case, you have no effin morals, no effin principles
tulipsandroses
Nov 10
#47
Tariffs, tax cuts for the super rich, austerity, vaccine hokum, 7 trillion of empty debt, mass deportations are going to
TheKentuckian
Nov 10
#61
Thank you. I feel the argument is they behaved in a justifiable fashion so I'm glad
TheKentuckian
Nov 11
#108
What bugs me about that claim is that it was really the stupid misogyny, the hatred of women
Hekate
Nov 10
#67
It's not about the economy. In 3 months were going to be hearing that the economy is great. n/t
D23MIURG23
Nov 11
#86
The threat of Trump's tariffs is already impacting how businesses operate, steering money away from bonuses and raises
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 11
#94
IN MY BRAIN It was All About National Security , Trump wanted the Office & the Office wanted
bonniebgood
Nov 11
#97