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Mon Nov 11, 2024, 09:16 AM
Nov 11

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begin with this truth that most people who criticize Garland ignore:


Mr. Garland said he would place no restrictions on their work, even if the “evidence leads to Trump,” according to people with knowledge of several conversations held over his first months in office.

“Follow the connective tissue upward,” said Mr. Garland, adding a directive that would eventually lead to a dead end: “Follow the money.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/trump-jan-6-merrick-garland.html



...and they did just that:



...it took a long time, not because Garland dithered in gathering evidence, but because the evidence he was gathering from principle WH perps was repeatedly challenged by them on grounds of privilege.

The resulting hearings dates for each of those perps challenges were set by JUDGES in COURTS, not by Garland, whose team fought each and every one of them successfully.

That doesn't happen by just going into court and presenting what most critics describe as something we all saw, presumably on teevee.

That ultimately successful effort by Garland's team in often successive courts to knock down appeals and challenges and make evidence they gathered as early as the Fall of 2021 available to them for any prosecution, and the arrests and charging of rioters - many who served as cooperators, took over a year and more in many cases as the appeals moved through successive courts, many Trump appointees who were all too obliging of the perps to set court dates well into the future.

receipts:


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html

May 2021:

Prosecutors took 18 electronic devices from Rudy Giuliani’s home and office in April raid
As part of the same investigation, agents last month also executed a search warrant at the home of Victoria Toensing, a lawyer and Giuliani ally.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/20/politics/rudy-giuliani-raid/index.html

Jeffrey Clark's electronic devices were seized by federal agents in June 2021 "in connection with an investigation into violations of 18 U.S.C. 1001, which relates to false statements, 18 U.S.C. 371, which relates to conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C. 1512, which relates to obstruction of justice". The agents were looking for evidence of crimes of making false statements, criminal conspiracy and obstruction of justice. The raid took place at Clark's house in Northern Virginia, and his electronic devices were seized.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jeffrey-clark-trump-considered-ag-phone-seized-obstruction-probe-rcna47923


April 14, 2022

Giuliani helps feds unlock devices as charging decision looms
Giuliani unlocked several devices, or gave investigators possible passwords.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/giuliani-helps-unlock-electronic-devices-feds-decision-looms/story?id=84081611


...emptywheel on the evidence seized early on and the challenges brought by the perps:

In Rudy Giuliani’s case, a privilege review of his phone content took nine months (though that review incorporated content relating to January 6, so it has been done since January 2022). In Enrique Tarrio’s case (largely due the security he used on his phone), it took over a year to access the content on his phone. In Scott Perry’s case, prosecutors are still working on it seven months later. In James O’Keefe’s unrelated case, Project Veritas still has one more chance to prevent prosecutors from getting evidence the FBI seized in November 2021, almost 17 months ago. You can’t skip privilege reviews, because if you do, key evidence will get thrown out during prosecution, rendering any downstream evidence useless as well.

In cases of privilege, DOJ first gets grand jury testimony where the witness invokes privilege, and then afterwards makes a case that the needs of the investigation overcome any privilege claim. DOJ first started pursuing privileged testimony regarding events involving Mike Pence with grand jury testimony from Pence aides Greg Jacob and Marc Short last July, then with testimony from the two Pats, Cipollone and Philbin, in August. It got privilege-waived testimony from Pence’s aides in October and from the two Pats on December 2. That process undoubtedly laid the groundwork for this week’s DC Circuit ruling that people like Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino must likewise testify to the grand jury.

By the time DOJ first overtly subpoenaed material in the fake electors plot last May, it had done the work to obtain cloud content from John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark. If DOJ had obtained warrants for the already seized phone content from Rudy — which is likely given the prominence of Victoria Toensing from the start of the fake elector subpoenas — then it would have built on content it obtained a year earlier in another investigation.

Some of this undoubtedly benefited from the January 6 Committee’s work. I would be shocked, for example, if DOJ didn’t piggyback on Judge David Carter’s March 28, 2022 decision ruling some of John Eastman’s communications to be crime-fraud excepted. As NYT reported in August, in May 2022, DOJ similarly piggybacked on J6C’s earlier subpoenas to the National Archives (and in so doing avoided any need to alert Joe Biden to the criminal, as opposed to congressional, investigation); this is consistent with some of what Mueller did in the Russian investigation. Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony, obtained via trust earned by Liz Cheney, has undoubtedly been critical. But the January 6 Committee also likely created recent delays in the January 6 and Georgia investigation, thanks to the delayed release of transcripts showing potentially exculpatory testimony.

But much of it preceded the January 6 Committee. I’ve shown, for example, that DOJ had a focus on Epshteyn before J6C first publicly mentioned his role in the fake electors plot. Toensing’s involvement came entirely via the DOJ track.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/04/06/the-testimony-jack-smith-gets-this-week-builds-on-work-from-over-a-year-ago/


We can see that evidence was tied up in challenges to warrants and claims of privilege, as well as outright recalcitrance by perps, sometimes for years.

Understanding that the charging decisions aren't made by Garland, but rather, approved by him after the process of prosecutors presenting evidence to a grand jury, what evidence are critics claiming Garland had which assured a conviction in his first year?

Not knowing the actual nature or state of evidence they had in their possession at the time, and not just because most of that is secret except for what the targets reveal and filing and testimony and statements in court, what position do you think critics are in to make that determination, over and above the judgments of the over 20 prosecutors Garland had on the case?

receipts for '20 prosecutors' :


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html

...Smith obviously didn't believe the teevee clips we all saw were enough to convict because, he made clear in his latest filing that he was seeking to use “forensic evidence” from Trump’s iPhone to corroborate his assertions Trump instigated the riot.

Not just clips from teevee, which the DOJ team of career prosecutors obviously didn't believe would suffice (like critics want us to believe), but through corroborated evidence.

...always bemused by internet justice officials in the fantasy prosecution game who propose Garland and his prosecutors should have left evidence on the floor and rushed into court like all that mattered was something incriminating they'd found and wouldn't be blindsided by either contradictory testimony, of perps shaping their subsequent statements to fit the paltry amount of virtually unusable evidence tied up in appeals.

NONE of these critics could be trusted to prosecute the former president because they don't understand what constitutes a prosecution, and most believe what they saw on teevee is sufficient to ball together in their minds and come up with a conviction - one that would stop Trump from assuming office.

No matter to them that neither charges or a conviction is legally enough to keep Trump or anyone from running, being elected, or assuming office, even from jail. Or that voters just now elected a convicted felon/adjudicated rapist.

What did they think was going to happen? These high profile cases regularly take two to three years in appeals to completely resolve (after conviction), minimum.


This is the hush money case, arguably less complex than the federal ones"


How long could this appeals process take?

It’s hard to say exactly, but the first layer of the appeal, which is just to the First Department, I would expect to take about a year. If that appeal is unsuccessful, then after about a year, he would have an opportunity to file what’s called a leave application with the New York Court of Appeals, which is confusingly the name of New York’s highest court. The lowest court was where Trump was just convicted and is called the Supreme Court. The middle layer court is called the Appellate Division.

Since the Court of Appeals is the highest court, they don’t take cases as of right—so after Trump’s first layer of appeal, he may not get another appeal. He would have to ask the New York Court of Appeals to allow him to appeal, and if they grant his leave application, only then can he actually file an appellate briefing, saying, “I was denied my constitutional rights under either the New York Constitution or the U.S. Constitution.” He can also say there was some sort of failure to follow criminal procedure. The Court of Appeals would typically decide the leave application after three to five months, and if granted, then the appeal could take probably another year, maybe a little less. And if the Court of Appeals’ decision is adverse to Trump, he could then file a petition for certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court, and the basis for that would have to be limited to the U.S. Constitution, rather than New York law or the New York Constitution.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/05/donald-trump-whats-next-jail-prison-appeals-process-explainer.html

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The new administration, I'm sure, considers it a resounding success. So there's that. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #1
I have anger right now scriv! I am angry with democrats and its pretty close to top of list. boston bean Nov 11 #2
I am so numb, I'm not even feeling the anger. I imagine it will come later. But Scrivener7 Nov 11 #3
They are about to Find Out JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #8
Yes. This exactly. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #11
I'm praying to the Universe JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #17
I believe that March will be Jan 18 or 19. niyad Nov 11 #22
Seen any threads with advice about protecting 401 and 457 funds? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 11 #38
Hermit, I'm wondering how to safeguard things too. The only thing that will Scrivener7 Nov 11 #39
Maybe just moving them to lower risk would do it Hermit-The-Prog Nov 11 #40
I am not familiar with 457s, but my old 401K allowed me to put money in a few different Scrivener7 Nov 11 #42
Even higher on the list, at least for me, Abolishinist Nov 11 #66
Like what mistakes? oldmanlynn Nov 11 #14
Key Democrats thought Trump was over when we won in 2020 BeyondGeography Nov 11 #25
Clinton did the same. IranContra was swept under the rug allowing blm Nov 11 #32
And then of course there is this...'We tortured some folks' Autumn Nov 12 #107
I agree it was a colossal mistake. boston bean Nov 12 #103
Yep Meowmee Nov 11 #23
don't expect any divine intervention. republianmushroom Nov 11 #59
If that is all that can take care of it Meowmee Nov 11 #73
Could be as a nation we deserve what is about to fall upon us. republianmushroom Nov 11 #75
Wrong Meowmee Nov 11 #80
The worst was going after Trump ONLY AFTER he announced his run for President TheFarseer Nov 11 #4
Yes Meowmee Nov 11 #74
Yes, but the Constitution is a musty old document that hasn't been defined over the centuries bucolic_frolic Nov 11 #5
I agree but even now I am sure someone is typing out a post doc03 Nov 11 #6
You must be psychic! Because there it is!!! On the bright side, there are only two of them. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #46
Yup, you are correct, see post number 26. republianmushroom Nov 11 #63
I truly believe JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #7
A friend of mine . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 11 #21
Go dark JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #29
they need to start feeding him bullshit. the spy movies call it 'a blue dye test' mopinko Nov 11 #36
You need to be more patient. Emile Nov 11 #9
It wasn't a miscalculation. nt LexVegas Nov 11 #10
Who will all be pardoned on day one oldmanlynn Nov 11 #12
Think D-Day would have been a success if allied forces attacked on only one beach with no air support? Hotler Nov 11 #13
You were right and I was wrong Hekate Nov 11 #15
He should have been the most hated person on the right Mr. Sparkle Nov 11 #16
Well, we just have to be patient. These things take time. Orrex Nov 11 #18
Agree republianmushroom Nov 11 #60
Biden and Garland are: AverageOldGuy Nov 11 #19
You have nailed it, the so-called old guard. republianmushroom Nov 11 #61
That type tries to hold Republicans accountable within the existing system Orrex Nov 11 #68
Garland sold the US down the stream to protect his fragile self. lark Nov 11 #20
He was protecting Dump Clouds Passing Nov 11 #82
While looking back is okay... Dem4life1970 Nov 11 #24
false bigtree Nov 11 #26
Yes, except for the fact that it's 100% true. Orrex Nov 11 #28
And There It Is! SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #43
Who has two or three days to read it, not me! Emile Nov 11 #44
You've probably already read it piecemeal over the years anyway TheKentuckian Nov 12 #100
Wow, that seems extremely well-prepared... Think. Again. Nov 11 #55
emptywheel wasted my time with breathless Mueller and Garland posts for years thebigidea Nov 11 #67
she provided more than this post of yours in detail about the investigation bigtree Nov 11 #70
If Trump had a beard and turban and slightly darky skin on J6 you're saying the DOJ would've not changed anything in ... uponit7771 Nov 11 #71
but he doesn't bigtree Nov 11 #86
" most effective defense, though isn't his skin color, " this is false on its face, you know it too uponit7771 Nov 11 #95
what nonsense to suggest I 'know' something that comports with your opinion bigtree Nov 12 #104
I can't remember Meowmee Nov 11 #27
My favorite: Orrex Nov 11 #30
Second runner-up: "But emptywheel says everything is going as it should. And that's PROOF." Sigh. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #45
My favorites. The DOJ doesn't leak. They will announce when they have Autumn Nov 12 #108
I know, begging and pleading with a criminal to return stolen goods. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #31
It is a cold comfort being right about something so bad. JanMichael Nov 11 #33
Unfortunately, I do not know stillcool Nov 11 #34
Trump was charged with unlawful *retention* of documents Fiendish Thingy Nov 11 #35
TLDR: Trump is free to commit crimes with impunity. Orrex Nov 11 #47
Another cheer leader. republianmushroom Nov 11 #64
just ridicule bigtree Nov 11 #76
Still trying to sell that Garland was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I see. republianmushroom Nov 11 #78
never said Garland is anything bigtree Nov 11 #84
You have your opinions of Garland, I have mine. republianmushroom Nov 12 #109
no shit. bigtree Nov 12 #110
Sooo if Trump had a full beard and a turban and slightly darker skin on J6 and said his words you're claiming the DOJ uponit7771 Nov 11 #72
Well, I would say... Fiendish Thingy Nov 11 #81
Dodge noted uponit7771 Nov 11 #96
and now all those prosecutors r on his enemies list. good job guys. mopinko Nov 11 #37
TSF may keep Garland as a reward. gab13by13 Nov 11 #56
Garland has earned it. IMO republianmushroom Nov 11 #65
The mealy mouthed, milquetoast attitude with these fascists has gotten us wiped out. hadEnuf Nov 11 #41
Sheesh, what a disappointment Merrick Garland turned out to be. calimary Nov 11 #48
Oh oh oh! You forgot prosecuting Hunter Biden! AllyCat Nov 11 #49
Yep Meowmee Nov 11 #79
A week before the election, I posted my opinion that when Kamala won the presidency she should replace Garland with LaMouffette Nov 11 #50
The reason that won't happen - they will not go after Trump TBF Nov 11 #52
You're right, of course. A potential civil war is most likely why our Dem leaders have not been publicly demanding a LaMouffette Nov 11 #54
Not the dumbest thing he said that week. Fish700 Nov 11 #69
I Doubt We'll Hear Her Talk About It Again SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #77
Fuck the loons. Mow them down, bombard as needed. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #101
I'd like to see recount in NC, Penn, and Wisconsin - TBF Nov 12 #105
I do not think Trump will pardon them as he considers them losers for getting caught much like LiberalArkie Nov 11 #51
I wouldn't bet on it. Emile Nov 11 #58
I think bdamomma Nov 11 #53
Yup, this nails it. republianmushroom Nov 11 #57
Dumb strategy to go bottom up - he got another small fry! WOW!!!!!! Blues Heron Nov 11 #62
old enough to remember the much vaunted Jan 6 committee bigtree Nov 11 #88
None of that means anything if the top guy gets off scot free to LET THEM OUT OF JAIL Blues Heron Nov 11 #89
voters let him go scott free bigtree Nov 11 #90
Garland had YEARS and knew all about the timeline. The threat of re-election was always there. Blues Heron Nov 11 #91
the courts delayed him bigtree Nov 11 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Blues Heron Nov 11 #93
yeah Im getting a clue that maybe he totally failed - its just a hunch though... Blues Heron Nov 11 #94
not for the election bigtree Nov 12 #106
history, if we still report history years on, garland will go down as one of the main players that helped destroy Javaman Nov 11 #83
lol, no bigtree Nov 11 #87
Garland spent 4 years protecting billionaires from bitcoin theft and Trump from Iran's IRG. usonian Nov 11 #85
This is why you don't hire Republicans Galraedia Nov 11 #97
I have no more fucks to give AverageJoe Nov 12 #98
No kidding and he was just a pity pick Figarosmom Nov 12 #99
I still can't get past that a-hole McConnell not convicting him during impeachment mdbl Nov 12 #102
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