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Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
35. Trump was charged with unlawful *retention* of documents
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 10:54 AM
Nov 2024

Not unlawful removal or unlawful possession of classified documents, but the willful retention of those documents after an evidence trail was created showing he was informed of the crime, had the intent to commit the crime, and in fact, committed the crime of retention, after he had left office.

Proving unlawful removal would be difficult, if not impossible, just as it was with Biden and Pence. Proving unlawful possession only slightly less difficult, for the same reasons Biden and Pence were not charged.

Even if Garland had obtained a conviction on the retention charges (assuming the immunity ruling and Judge Cannon didn’t get in the way), and even if Trump had been sentenced and incarcerated before the election, that wouldn’t have prevented Trump from running and serving as president.

The same is true for the J6 charges.

Scapegoating Garland is a too easy, illogical, and ineffective coping mechanism for this election loss.

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The new administration, I'm sure, considers it a resounding success. So there's that. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #1
I have anger right now scriv! I am angry with democrats and its pretty close to top of list. boston bean Nov 2024 #2
I am so numb, I'm not even feeling the anger. I imagine it will come later. But Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #3
They are about to Find Out JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #8
Yes. This exactly. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #11
I'm praying to the Universe JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #17
I believe that March will be Jan 18 or 19. niyad Nov 2024 #22
Seen any threads with advice about protecting 401 and 457 funds? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2024 #38
Hermit, I'm wondering how to safeguard things too. The only thing that will Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #39
Maybe just moving them to lower risk would do it Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2024 #40
I am not familiar with 457s, but my old 401K allowed me to put money in a few different Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #42
Even higher on the list, at least for me, Abolishinist Nov 2024 #66
Like what mistakes? oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #14
Key Democrats thought Trump was over when we won in 2020 BeyondGeography Nov 2024 #25
Clinton did the same. IranContra was swept under the rug allowing blm Nov 2024 #32
And then of course there is this...'We tortured some folks' Autumn Nov 2024 #107
I agree it was a colossal mistake. boston bean Nov 2024 #103
Yep Meowmee Nov 2024 #23
don't expect any divine intervention. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #59
If that is all that can take care of it Meowmee Nov 2024 #73
Could be as a nation we deserve what is about to fall upon us. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #75
Wrong Meowmee Nov 2024 #80
The worst was going after Trump ONLY AFTER he announced his run for President TheFarseer Nov 2024 #4
Yes Meowmee Nov 2024 #74
Yes, but the Constitution is a musty old document that hasn't been defined over the centuries bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #5
I agree but even now I am sure someone is typing out a post doc03 Nov 2024 #6
You must be psychic! Because there it is!!! On the bright side, there are only two of them. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #46
Yup, you are correct, see post number 26. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #63
I truly believe JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #7
A friend of mine . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 2024 #21
Go dark JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #29
they need to start feeding him bullshit. the spy movies call it 'a blue dye test' mopinko Nov 2024 #36
You need to be more patient. Emile Nov 2024 #9
It wasn't a miscalculation. nt LexVegas Nov 2024 #10
Who will all be pardoned on day one oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #12
Think D-Day would have been a success if allied forces attacked on only one beach with no air support? Hotler Nov 2024 #13
You were right and I was wrong Hekate Nov 2024 #15
He should have been the most hated person on the right Mr. Sparkle Nov 2024 #16
Well, we just have to be patient. These things take time. Orrex Nov 2024 #18
Agree republianmushroom Nov 2024 #60
Biden and Garland are: AverageOldGuy Nov 2024 #19
You have nailed it, the so-called old guard. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #61
That type tries to hold Republicans accountable within the existing system Orrex Nov 2024 #68
Garland sold the US down the stream to protect his fragile self. lark Nov 2024 #20
He was protecting Dump Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #82
While looking back is okay... Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #24
false bigtree Nov 2024 #26
Yes, except for the fact that it's 100% true. Orrex Nov 2024 #28
And There It Is! SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #43
Who has two or three days to read it, not me! Emile Nov 2024 #44
You've probably already read it piecemeal over the years anyway TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #100
Wow, that seems extremely well-prepared... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #55
emptywheel wasted my time with breathless Mueller and Garland posts for years thebigidea Nov 2024 #67
she provided more than this post of yours in detail about the investigation bigtree Nov 2024 #70
If Trump had a beard and turban and slightly darky skin on J6 you're saying the DOJ would've not changed anything in ... uponit7771 Nov 2024 #71
but he doesn't bigtree Nov 2024 #86
" most effective defense, though isn't his skin color, " this is false on its face, you know it too uponit7771 Nov 2024 #95
what nonsense to suggest I 'know' something that comports with your opinion bigtree Nov 2024 #104
I can't remember Meowmee Nov 2024 #27
My favorite: Orrex Nov 2024 #30
Second runner-up: "But emptywheel says everything is going as it should. And that's PROOF." Sigh. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #45
My favorites. The DOJ doesn't leak. They will announce when they have Autumn Nov 2024 #108
I know, begging and pleading with a criminal to return stolen goods. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #31
It is a cold comfort being right about something so bad. JanMichael Nov 2024 #33
Unfortunately, I do not know stillcool Nov 2024 #34
Trump was charged with unlawful *retention* of documents Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #35
TLDR: Trump is free to commit crimes with impunity. Orrex Nov 2024 #47
Another cheer leader. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #64
just ridicule bigtree Nov 2024 #76
Still trying to sell that Garland was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I see. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #78
never said Garland is anything bigtree Nov 2024 #84
You have your opinions of Garland, I have mine. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #109
no shit. bigtree Nov 2024 #110
Sooo if Trump had a full beard and a turban and slightly darker skin on J6 and said his words you're claiming the DOJ uponit7771 Nov 2024 #72
Well, I would say... Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #81
Dodge noted uponit7771 Nov 2024 #96
and now all those prosecutors r on his enemies list. good job guys. mopinko Nov 2024 #37
TSF may keep Garland as a reward. gab13by13 Nov 2024 #56
Garland has earned it. IMO republianmushroom Nov 2024 #65
The mealy mouthed, milquetoast attitude with these fascists has gotten us wiped out. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #41
Sheesh, what a disappointment Merrick Garland turned out to be. calimary Nov 2024 #48
Oh oh oh! You forgot prosecuting Hunter Biden! AllyCat Nov 2024 #49
Yep Meowmee Nov 2024 #79
A week before the election, I posted my opinion that when Kamala won the presidency she should replace Garland with LaMouffette Nov 2024 #50
The reason that won't happen - they will not go after Trump TBF Nov 2024 #52
You're right, of course. A potential civil war is most likely why our Dem leaders have not been publicly demanding a LaMouffette Nov 2024 #54
Not the dumbest thing he said that week. Fish700 Nov 2024 #69
I Doubt We'll Hear Her Talk About It Again SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #77
Fuck the loons. Mow them down, bombard as needed. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #101
I'd like to see recount in NC, Penn, and Wisconsin - TBF Nov 2024 #105
I do not think Trump will pardon them as he considers them losers for getting caught much like LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #51
I wouldn't bet on it. Emile Nov 2024 #58
I think bdamomma Nov 2024 #53
Yup, this nails it. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #57
Dumb strategy to go bottom up - he got another small fry! WOW!!!!!! Blues Heron Nov 2024 #62
old enough to remember the much vaunted Jan 6 committee bigtree Nov 2024 #88
None of that means anything if the top guy gets off scot free to LET THEM OUT OF JAIL Blues Heron Nov 2024 #89
voters let him go scott free bigtree Nov 2024 #90
Garland had YEARS and knew all about the timeline. The threat of re-election was always there. Blues Heron Nov 2024 #91
the courts delayed him bigtree Nov 2024 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Blues Heron Nov 2024 #93
yeah Im getting a clue that maybe he totally failed - its just a hunch though... Blues Heron Nov 2024 #94
not for the election bigtree Nov 2024 #106
history, if we still report history years on, garland will go down as one of the main players that helped destroy Javaman Nov 2024 #83
lol, no bigtree Nov 2024 #87
Garland spent 4 years protecting billionaires from bitcoin theft and Trump from Iran's IRG. usonian Nov 2024 #85
This is why you don't hire Republicans Galraedia Nov 2024 #97
I have no more fucks to give AverageJoe Nov 2024 #98
No kidding and he was just a pity pick Figarosmom Nov 2024 #99
I still can't get past that a-hole McConnell not convicting him during impeachment mdbl Nov 2024 #102
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