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garybeck

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Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:57 PM Nov 11

I'm surprised at how little discussion there is questioning the results. [View all]

I realize people who don't understand voting and election technology are going to say i'm a foolish conspiracy theorist. Go ahead i can take it.

But I know there are enough people here at DU who have studied election technology. There are experts in the field reading this. We've been through this before.

It's not a foolish conspiracy theory. Questioning the results is healthy. Especially considering the fact that we have been warned by the world's most prominent computer security experts. They told us that our election system is "has significant security vulnerabilities."



You can laugh and brush it off and say what you will. the truth is, our election system is hackable. It's been demonstrated and documented many times by the world's best, and not much has been done.

Before you say "the democratic party would be on top of this" or "the election system is not connected to the internet" ... take a deep breath. It doesn't have to be through the internet. and just because the democratic party doesn't know about computer security, it doesn't mean anything one way or another.

You're not a conspiracy theorist if you are simply asking questions.
I"m not suggesting the election was definitely stolen.
I am saying it smells fishy.

we need to be asking ourselves some serious questions like:

Are we really supposed to believe that millions of less people voted this time than last?
Are we really supposed to believe that trump got more support this time than last time, and he actually got the popular vote this time which he never has before, when by all accounts his support has diminished over the last 4 years?
Why were so many experts like Lichtman wrong? He's called every election correct in the last several decades. Michael Moore who predicted Trump victory in 2016 when no one else was, had called it for Harris. many others.
If anyone on this planet could hack the system, who could? Perhaps the richest person in the world owns multiple high tech companies and was literally campaigning for Trump?
If criminals can hack into the country's hospital system and basically shut down multiple hospitals and doctors offices for weeks, just for a ransom, why do we believe hacking the election system is impossible?
Which is more likely -- millions of people voting in ways that were not predicted, or just one thing - the richest person on the planet with access to every technology known, and who was campaigning for Trump, got involved. One of those two things happened.
Why was Trump so despondent the last few weeks? He seemed to not care about votes. He made zero attempt to move towards the center, which is what every candidate does when they need votes. he cancelled events and didn't seem to care. Did he know something we don't know?
Enthusiasm for Harris was very high. we all saw it. we are being told to just toss that out the window. it was a mirage. the enthusiasm was dismal for trump.

And, importantly:

if you had unlimited money and access to literally every technology on the planet, would it be possible to hack the election system?
the answer to that, we already know is yes. the experts have told us this time and time again. Here is a list of experts who signed on to the Brennan Report:



those of us who are expressing concern are not just making this up. and we're not foolish. Fools refuse to look at facts. Smart people investigate objectively with an open mind.
we've been warned by the greatest computer security experts on the planet.


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We are supposed to believe that ruthless, vicious, desperate psychopaths followed the rules and laws. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #1
All of this! Dem4life1234 Nov 11 #6
It is basic psych profiling and crime scene analysis. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #13
Hear, here (is that right?) LSparkle Nov 11 #27
They'll "memory hole this" because the media have already SPOKEN. dchill Nov 11 #85
Agreed. The media wanted our eyeballs not to inform us LSparkle Nov 11 #96
Here's another possibility. Mr. Evil Nov 11 #66
I am fairly certain that a version of this scenario has occurred with certain members of congress. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #72
trump and Johnson's little secret. And trump doubling down on garbage Latinos... brush Nov 11 #84
Exactly. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #127
Yep, and now we have to deal with a senile-adjacent, bloviating fool delivering mental weave for 4 years. brush Nov 12 #129
They don't have to invoke the 25th. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #131
God, we are so in trouble. brush Nov 12 #132
"...and in front of a speeding turnip truck.." The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #134
I'll take my cues from the DNC and the Harris/Walz campaign. I sure wish the left... LAS14 Nov 11 #91
I stand by my psychological profiling. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #93
CONSPIRACY THEORY? REALLY?!! Well, what about the VERBATIM statement give by Nikolai Patrushev, a member of pootie's The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #135
Flipped votes were documented on BMDs in PA in November 2023 lostnfound Nov 11 #108
I am sure the Russian/Chinese military hackers were able to figure all of this out. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #109
We heard for four years that the election was stolen. I doubt the public wants to hear it another four jimfields33 Nov 12 #126
Four years ago a house down the block burned down... Think. Again. Nov 16 #157
The public appears to want to hear only lies. Not the truth. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #163
Well said. Think. Again. Nov 16 #155
I agree. I weighed in a couple of times already Jarqui Nov 11 #2
the question is what does "thoroughly check" mean garybeck Nov 11 #11
Trump people could have given this same pep-talk four years ago. tritsofme Nov 11 #16
Post removed Post removed Nov 11 #19
You really can't say that. dchill Nov 11 #86
Okay, then what is the purpose of the discussion? TheKentuckian Nov 11 #90
You do understand that evidence you are requiring for audits and recounts... Think. Again. Nov 16 #158
Recounts in all close races is a start Jarqui Nov 11 #36
There are a variety of things that could be involved Jarqui Nov 16 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Nov 16 #151
Two main reasons IMO. 1) We spent the last 4 years deriding/mocking/ridiculing kelly1mm Nov 11 #3
Rs continued to deny reality AFTER investigations were complete spooky3 Nov 11 #5
And that is the difference between us and them Dem4life1234 Nov 11 #10
I guess highly circumstantial to very speculative is a notch or two above baseless TheKentuckian Nov 11 #21
We were deriding/mocking/ridiculing way before the investigations/court cases were completed kelly1mm Nov 11 #46
We disagree. Nt spooky3 Nov 11 #64
i agree and I think that was done on purpose garybeck Nov 11 #7
And they went through 60 court cases. The AP called this election that first night. pnwmom Nov 11 #40
They can be filed as soon as they can be prepared. And R's will deride/mock/ridicule us just like we did them. nt kelly1mm Nov 11 #47
They can mock us all they want. Don't you see how we were set up? pnwmom Nov 11 #49
I do not believe there was any credible reports of hacking if you are referring to vote switching kelly1mm Nov 11 #52
According to Greg Palast, there were 2.7 million rejected provisional ballots last time. pnwmom Nov 11 #88
I think every court refused to hear their cases soandso Nov 12 #122
Stephen Spoonamoore's 11/15 Duty to Warn letter is worth the read Babajida Nov 16 #154
There are differences Meowmee Nov 11 #104
Being 'a fascist lunatic trying to take over the country' is not evidence of voting irregularities. Can you kelly1mm Nov 11 #110
Yes it is imo, it's not normal to tell your voters. They don't have to vote because you already have the votes since whe Meowmee Nov 11 #111
He said they would not need to vote 'next time'. He said he needed their votes now and then kelly1mm Nov 11 #112
He also said after that first statement several times Meowmee Nov 11 #113
Evidence? Martin68 Nov 12 #124
We lost. No recount, court case, protest, etc., is going to change that. We have mid-terms coming. Silent Type Nov 11 #4
We Have Mid-Terms Coming? LOL!!!!! SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #25
I choose not to sulk. Silent Type Nov 11 #38
It's not about sulking. Do you really think Trump would allow fair mid terms if they succeeded pnwmom Nov 11 #44
Except he didn't flip 2024. If Harris, Biden, etc., believe results were correct, I'll continue to move on. We lost. Silent Type Nov 11 #50
If they got away with fixing this election, why would anything be different in the midterms? nt pnwmom Nov 11 #41
Well, yeah, if the got away with fixing election. But don't think they did and I'm not a GOPer type election denier. Silent Type Nov 11 #78
There aren't going to be any more elections. I heard it form the Dump himself. Clouds Passing Nov 11 #62
They've spent eight years softening up public reaction to this argument, and made such a fuss lees1975 Nov 11 #8
Our highest elected officials on a State level have been assuring voters for over three years MichMan Nov 11 #9
the 2nd one garybeck Nov 11 #12
Based on what direct evidence? No, a report from twenty years ago nor Lichtmans non scientific keys qualify. TheKentuckian Nov 11 #43
evidence..... garybeck Nov 11 #58
Exactly keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #65
that is a GREAT question! where is TRUTH IS ALL ? n/t garybeck Nov 11 #75
Well keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #128
I'll be happy to question the results -misanthroptimist Nov 11 #14
You mean the dozen or so threads on the subject? Fish700 Nov 11 #15
Threads are not evidence. Martin68 Nov 12 #123
Didn't say they were. The OP asked why isn't there more discussion when the site is riddled with threads about it. Fish700 Nov 15 #143
These things happened in 2020 2016 2012 and 2008 also ColinC Nov 11 #17
one mistake people make is garybeck Nov 11 #22
No. It's questioning our democratic process with little to no evidence. Just like Trump did. ColinC Nov 11 #23
Trump did this for months it's less than a week later. Ilikepurple Nov 11 #101
Were gonna need a left wing "My Pillow Guy" Zeitghost Nov 11 #18
more than that :) but yeah! n/t garybeck Nov 11 #20
'foolish' 'stupid' 'vulnerable' appear to be pervasive. elleng Nov 11 #24
No RandySF Nov 11 #26
Sounds like you're saying is Trump's complaints after 2020 should have been taken more seriously and given more credence onenote Nov 11 #28
In the olden days we watched them get stolen from us right before our eyes. Hope22 Nov 11 #30
What anomalies? Lower turnout isnt an anomaly. hootman Nov 11 #34
Then that must be that! Hope22 Nov 11 #69
Here's something to chew on... Hope22 Nov 11 #70
Starling wasnt used to upload votes. Now we're in conspiracy land. hootman Nov 11 #100
His cases were taken seriously. There were 60 court cases. How many have we had? nt pnwmom Nov 11 #45
onenote, why are you ALWAYS a naysayer about challenging the validity of Trump's suspicious "victory"? ElementaryPenguin Nov 15 #145
When there is something credible to react to, I won't be a naysayer. onenote Nov 16 #148
Not suppose to question like we were not suppose to challenge Garland. LizBeth Nov 11 #29
Just because there are likely ongoing election investigations that can't yet be revealed, nevermind reported. ancianita Nov 11 #31
ALL the votes haven't been counted. When they are it wont be millions & millions fewer hootman Nov 11 #32
The rigging happened in plain site crud Nov 11 #33
I agree 100%. I am astounded that some are accepting this and that the leaders are not making issues of all of this. 58Sunliner Nov 11 #35
No, no, no. Sorry. I think at least some of this is being pushed by Russian and other psyops. LauraInLA Nov 11 #37
garybeck Upthevibe Nov 11 #39
the Brennsn Center stillcool Nov 11 #42
But if Repubs go low, Dems go high, and the electorate rewards that with respect and votes. Oh, wait... Beartracks Nov 11 #48
I'm not discussing it here JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #51
I'm surprised too, garybeck. littlemissmartypants Nov 11 #53
Until I see proof of fraud, I will stick to my first instinct kellytore Nov 11 #54
Both things can be true - we live in a country of many idiots and the vote was hacked as well. ElementaryPenguin Nov 15 #146
We need post-election audits NOW. AmBlue Nov 11 #55
We do have post election audits EdmondDantes_ Nov 11 #105
I stand corrected AmBlue Nov 11 #117
Recount means run through the machines with a "mix" of hand counting questionseverything Nov 15 #144
Most states do not require... Think. Again. Nov 16 #159
Read the doc you just shared. garybeck Nov 12 #119
They are only separated now by 3,587,866 votes. Mosby Nov 11 #56
Occam's Razor? Yes, it's likely many millions fewer people voted LearnedHand Nov 11 #57
That's a Republican thing. Groundhawg Nov 11 #59
No it's not. garybeck Nov 12 #121
Totally with you, garybeck! dchill Nov 11 #60
Agreed keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #61
I'm with you on this. More information and investigation is needed! liberalla Nov 11 #63
You have ReRe Nov 11 #67
for the same reason we don't believe the grassy knoll fairytale. n/t Hamlette Nov 11 #68
Its keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #71
Trump's numbers were not that far off from 2020 RVN VET71 Nov 11 #73
John Pavlovitz is posting about the under votes kristndem Nov 11 #74
Has he seen actual ballots???? LeftInTX Nov 11 #77
You are correct...we should be able to see the ballots questionseverything Nov 16 #152
K&R red dog 1 Nov 11 #76
Just because a bank could be robbed doesn't mean it was robbed Kaleva Nov 11 #80
This plus the fact that nearly the entire country saw a rightward shift DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 11 #107
And Michigan is controlled by Democrats Kaleva Nov 11 #116
When the bank does an audit k55f5r Nov 12 #130
When the bank does an audit? k55f5r Nov 12 #133
If a bank was expecting a deposit of 10 million but it doesn't happen Kaleva Nov 12 #142
MAGA co-opted the issue Cirsium Nov 11 #81
Threads like this SCantiGOP Nov 11 #82
Do you think the party who gave us FAKE ELECTORS would not cheat? Emile Nov 16 #162
One tidbit to add to the pile.. essaynnc Nov 11 #83
The Texas Secretary of State is auditing the election. Susan Calvin Nov 11 #87
I'm afraid.... essaynnc Nov 11 #92
Yeah, but then why are they auditing in the first place? Susan Calvin Nov 11 #99
This task force was convened in 2005. LAS14 Nov 11 #89
nope lapfog_1 Nov 11 #106
There won't be any more Meowmee Nov 12 #120
THIS malaise Nov 11 #94
Do we have a task force in each swing State KS Toronado Nov 11 #95
There are tens of thousands of people Progressive dog Nov 11 #97
I don't get those who are just ready to roll over and take the loss Blue Owl Nov 11 #98
If there are mandated random hand audits that are properly run and results compared to... yourout Nov 11 #102
I do not know of such mandatory spot-auditing in PA. John1956PA Nov 12 #125
If The Democrats Cry Foul, And Act Like Sore Losers, Voters Will Punish Us SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #103
"Look what happened to T in this election" - ahem, he won. TBF Nov 12 #141
Even if it was orangecrush Nov 11 #114
Just the numbers, no way this is legit Autisminsight Nov 11 #115
bogus numbers in Wisconsin Autisminsight Nov 12 #118
Thank You For Posting This annielion Nov 12 #136
I cannot believe it. NT bcbink Nov 12 #137
Surprised how little? Really? MarvinGardens Nov 12 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 16 #153
Great post! hamsterjill Nov 12 #139
Great post! hamsterjill Nov 12 #140
What are they so afraid of? Meowmee Nov 16 #147
Most states do audits. onenote Nov 16 #149
Do full audits/recounts and forensic investigation every election in every state Meowmee Nov 16 #150
Thank you for posting this. Think. Again. Nov 16 #156
Too many people on here will cry conspiracy theories!! Lunabell Nov 16 #160
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