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reACTIONary

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134. You and me both....
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:36 PM
Nov 2024

I will have to quote many a politician and say that I spoke "inartfully".

What I should have said was "you can't just hack anything". Let alone a decentralized and audited voting infrastructure that isn't even connected to the internet.

As noted upstream:

What theory could explain accidental or nefarious vote irregularities several times larger than those that warrant recounts in all of those blue counties (with blue elections boards)?? Different voting systems and ballot designs and democrats in control of the system... yet someone hacked the whole thing (and in a way that a recount would show it)?

There seems to be a popular impression that the proverbial teenager, wearing his "hacker hoodie" and a balaclava, hold up in his parents' basement can just "Change one line of code" in any system, anywhere, at any time, like a lame Hollywood plot device.

In reality, voting machines are not connected to the internet, and they are set up, operated, and audited under rigorous procedures to prevent hacking or compromise.

Since they are not connected to the internet, compromising them would have to be done through an elaborate "supply chain" attack. This would be something on the order of the Stuxnet attack on the Iranian nuclear weapons program, something that could only be done by a large state-sponsored effort. Stuxnet took two nation-states and an estimated five years to develop and deploy. It had one facility as a target. But in the case of the voting infrastructure you would have to do that ten times over, for ten different vendors. and would have to individually target over 3,000 facilities.

The chances of this having happened are non-zero, but only in the sense that there is a non-zero chance that an asteroid will hit the earth and wipe out all life sometime in the next ten minutes. But don't count on it.

See you in ten minutes!

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At least slow this steamroller down Easterncedar Nov 2024 #1
Most states require that proof of fraud or a mistake large enough to swing the race be provided. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #2
Well, they are cheaters, we are not. I want to see Meadowoak Nov 2024 #33
So far Harris got more votes than Biden did in Wisconsin, Georgia, Virginia, and North Carolina Galraedia Nov 2024 #130
Reports like this deserve a second look Blue Owl Nov 2024 #3
Interim or preliminary reports are irrelevant. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #4
This is after a recount though Babajida Nov 2024 #6
No, it was not after a recount... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #17
The word 'rescan' sounds like a recount Babajida Nov 2024 #60
In this case, the rescan was not a recount... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #89
A late swing of a few thousand votes in a single county Zeitghost Nov 2024 #16
Trump cheated again azureblue Nov 2024 #5
And he told his brains dead supporters they would never have to vote again. Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #8
One line of code to replace Harris with Trump and why so many down ballot split tickets? n/t MartyTheGreek Nov 2024 #15
Strange comments from Elon and Trump? Wow! That never happened before! reACTIONary Nov 2024 #20
Thank you Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #27
I got an issue with Harris conceding so quickly. BattleRow Nov 2024 #7
A concession by a losing candidate Mr.Bill Nov 2024 #12
Veddy interesting! BattleRow Nov 2024 #19
Harris, like most of us Dems... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #22
Yup, as soon as she conceded Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #55
Just shaking my head... BattleRow Nov 2024 #58
Wait. Isn't she a lawyer? intheflow Nov 2024 #92
Yeah, she is Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #94
Al Gore rescinded his concession and went to court didn't he? Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #99
Yeah, you are right Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #100
Conceding does not remove any right to challenge later SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #106
Yeah the poster above said that Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #113
To avert violence, while they resolve the count. Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #82
tRump Cheated!! JoeBydun Nov 2024 #9
It's not even close SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #108
I agree 100%. This is no time to take the high road once again. KPN Nov 2024 #10
+1000 whathehell Nov 2024 #30
Exactly keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #68
The #s just don't add up. The election was dirty. Botany Nov 2024 #11
Something is Fishy about the Split Ticket Votes! MartyTheGreek Nov 2024 #13
The split ticket votes AND MontanaMama Nov 2024 #102
What Is Actually Needed Is A hotellanai1986 Nov 2024 #14
Yes, code leaves a forensic trail. What I find Quakerfriend Nov 2024 #56
I hope you're right keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #72
It was dirty. Botany Nov 2024 #18
Given Republican history and Putin's involvement dlk Nov 2024 #21
Ain't gonna help. Silent Type Nov 2024 #23
no but proud patriot Nov 2024 #26
Heck, my state instituted a requirement to hand count ballots (pieces of paper, not tabulate vote) and Silent Type Nov 2024 #28
We don't know that Meadowoak Nov 2024 #35
How many recounts do you think are necessary? We aren't going to win. Silent Type Nov 2024 #36
At. Least one. Just to compare Meadowoak Nov 2024 #38
The thing I keep thinking of is how much Putin... BlueHurricane Nov 2024 #24
They sure did. Most all red states enacted or doubled down on some form of voter suppression, purges, or... Karasu Nov 2024 #32
We lost more ground in blue states than we did red. Zeitghost Nov 2024 #61
This is puzzling. There wasnt any increase of his bade oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #91
Recommended bagimin Nov 2024 #25
Projection Cirsium Nov 2024 #29
On what theory??? FBaggins Nov 2024 #31
Here's the shifts dweller Nov 2024 #57
Yes - which rules out any need for recounts FBaggins Nov 2024 #69
Those #s and the arrow graphs just scream something was happening. Botany Nov 2024 #88
Yes, they scream something was happening.... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #90
I'll move on when I find out... Cetacea Nov 2024 #115
Let me suggest... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #117
I.T. folks, Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #123
As an IT folk, I can tell you that you are wrong.... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #129
Literally the first time Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #133
You and me both.... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #134
Been there, done that... Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #135
Yep, and... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #136
Yep DeepWinter Nov 2024 #97
Exactly keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #105
Do you know how much Harris trails in these states? Self Esteem Nov 2024 #34
+1. Thank gawd Harris isn't calling states asking to find 31,000 votes, etc. Silent Type Nov 2024 #39
You won't know unless you look. n/t Liberal In Texas Nov 2024 #43
Wasting resources on a recount is stupid at this point. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #44
Your entitled to your blind acceptance. Liberal In Texas Nov 2024 #48
Do you think Biden stole it in 2020? Self Esteem Nov 2024 #49
The difference is that Trump's claims were investigated and presented to courts and spooky3 Nov 2024 #83
No. And that has nothing to do with this election. Liberal In Texas Nov 2024 #87
We keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #107
If indeed the software tabulation had been instructed to give every third D vote to R, then she would be down by many fierywoman Nov 2024 #50
In Wisconsin it's about ten votes per precinct questionseverything Nov 2024 #122
I hear Sidney Powell is available for hire, maybe she can spearhead the effort? tritsofme Nov 2024 #37
It'll never happen DiverDave Nov 2024 #40
Yes BoRaGard Nov 2024 #41
Recounts/Audits on all the swing states. Then Liberal In Texas Nov 2024 #42
Why are the Dems NOT asking for recounts? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #45
Because there is no reason to stoke the fires of dumb Trump-style conspiracy theories? tritsofme Nov 2024 #47
So, just roll over? Republicans never cheat? Never gerrymander? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #52
Losing without acting like crybaby toddlers, as Trump and crowd perfected four years ago, is not "rolling over" tritsofme Nov 2024 #53
Not even the same thing as Republicans claimed there was fraud despite multiple recounts proving their wasn't Galraedia Nov 2024 #54
Would multiple recounts satisfy people who are determined to believe a conspiracy theory? My guess is probably not. tritsofme Nov 2024 #70
Recounts aren't "free", they require the requester to pay for them MichMan Nov 2024 #73
Yes we all know that... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #74
So why do you think the Harris campaign or DNC isn't doing this? Because they are dumb? tritsofme Nov 2024 #77
Yes you are right. We should all just give up... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #84
I mean...the election is over. People can certainly choose to live in a fantasyland as Trump and his cult did tritsofme Nov 2024 #85
Are you in Dem Leadership by chance? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #86
Well, people here donated money to Jill Stein in 2016 to finance her recount, so maybe that is an avenue. MichMan Nov 2024 #79
Maybe because of election laws? stillcool Nov 2024 #75
Something to keep in mind Metaphorical Nov 2024 #46
Please consider a separate OP on this ... this is the most glaring anomaly I have yet heard of. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2024 #125
Why did Texas, Florida and (I think) Missouri refuse to allow federal election observers oversee fierywoman Nov 2024 #51
Qeustion: Did any states upload their vote data through Starlink? azureblue Nov 2024 #59
Exactly keepthemhonestO Nov 2024 #112
Looking into that Cetacea Nov 2024 #114
I agree. Trump made too much noise about a "rigged" election to leave this alone. lees1975 Nov 2024 #62
And then when he immediately shut his fat mouth once he was ahead Blue Owl Nov 2024 #103
also this oldtime dfl_er Nov 2024 #63
This to me is one reason why the physical ballots SHOULD be audited. Metaphorical Nov 2024 #81
VP Harris needed... littlemissmartypants Nov 2024 #64
This thread hurts the effort to rebuild trust in American elections that was so damaged by Trump, et. al. LAS14 Nov 2024 #65
Malarky!!! bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #67
do election laws come into play at all? stillcool Nov 2024 #76
I agree 1000% bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #66
Yes!!!!!!!! 58Sunliner Nov 2024 #71
There are not sabbat hunter Nov 2024 #78
If the DNC or Harris was convinced the election was rigged don't most people here think they would mention it? Fish700 Nov 2024 #101
Bernie is right. sabbat hunter Nov 2024 #80
I would be interested to see how House votes.... lastlib Nov 2024 #93
Yes -and an investigation Six117 Nov 2024 #95
Republicans would stop at nothing Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #96
"image not found or was removed" -- what was the photo? nt orleans Nov 2024 #98
Parties don't trigger recounts SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #104
I've stayed away from the stolen election threads for the most part, because, CrispyQ Nov 2024 #109
I'm not one for conspiracy theories epreic01 Nov 2024 #110
And an audit nilram Nov 2024 #111
I'm in red Florida and even here this doesn't add up. Ligyron Nov 2024 #116
A recount is only held in close races or when there is clear evidence of fraud or irregularities. Martin68 Nov 2024 #118
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil in the world is that good men do nothing" Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #119
Recount where of which race? OPost meaningless: image NOT found. Clear your cache if you don't believe me. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #120
They are too spineless Owens Nov 2024 #121
Yeah, Tell Me My Vote Matters SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #126
All this 'just accept it and move on' Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #124
I think bdamomma Nov 2024 #127
The Democratic Party has nothing to do with asking for a recount stillcool Nov 2024 #128
You think Information Technology can't be used to do this? Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #131
Why the Democratic Party MUST Demand a Recount w/ Dean Obeidallah Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #132
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