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tman

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29. I strongly agree with the piece

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 10:33 PM

Nov 13

I can say that I think Biden was a good president while also saying that his decision to run for a second term was a massive failure of leadership that will scar his legacy.

His debate performance was unforgivable given what he knew was at stake and the very loud questions around his age that were plaguing him for years leading up to that moment. His post-debate 'clean up' interview was almost as bad as the debate itself.

By this point, everything was already lost and too late for a proper primary process.

It was a selfish and foolish choice to claim that only he (polling indicated otherwise) would be able beat trump, and not any other of the young talented Democratic leaders, as justification for running again in the first place.

VP Harris had an impossible job but probably saved us from a 400 EC wipeout, as it turns out internal Biden polling had indicated all along.

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Oh my! RollingStone commentary; How Joe Biden Squandered His Own Legacy [View all] Hotler Nov 13 OP

I stuck by Joe orangecrush Nov 13 #1

Me too DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #40

We need to stop right now and focus on the SCOTUS and the courts. Encourage Joe to focus on judicial appts. Jit423 Nov 14 #49

I feel vindicated. Elizabeth Warren is on MoJo saying just what a posted moments ago. Jit423 Nov 14 #50

Blaming Biden for the outcome is ridiculous. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #2

Press should take a look at itself as the morons that should be blamed LisaL Nov 13 #5

he certainly did NOT help Skittles Nov 13 #14

Not placing "blame", as I see it orangecrush Nov 13 #20

The article takes a pretty negative view of him. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #37

Disagree mr715 Nov 14 #56

yeah he did. she only had a 100 day campaign and "i don't know her policies" was a pretty common Takket Nov 13 #26

Well, her campaign didn't start under the most optimal conditions so... In It to Win It Nov 13 #32

The press shouldn't be blaming Biden or Democrats for anything oldmanlynn Nov 13 #38

He stepped aside just like this author demanded. LisaL Nov 13 #3

Not blaming him orangecrush Nov 13 #21

Stepped aside in the fourth quarter. He should have never ran for reelection in the first place In It to Win It Nov 13 #33

Clawed away, kicking and screaming mr715 Nov 14 #60

I don't know if anyone different would have emerged from a primary EdmondDantes_ Nov 13 #4

Just like with 2016, the whole mess is an operatic level tragedy roscoeroscoe Nov 13 #6

Great post. orangecrush Nov 13 #22

Damn you Joe Biden for doing a great job Johonny Nov 13 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 13 #10

Hi Sunshine!! Your weather looks rainy and chilly. A DU GP6971 Nov 13 #13

TY for the heads UP! Cha Nov 13 #15

Anytime!! GP6971 Nov 13 #19

Teamwork. Cha Nov 13 #27

I make that 8 minutes between joining DU and going *POOF* Emrys Nov 13 #17

Thanks orangecrush Nov 13 #23

is she back to posting in the library? mopinko Nov 14 #45

I stuck by Joe, too. lees1975 Nov 13 #8

I'm not on the "blame Joe" bus Blue Owl Nov 13 #9

the premise here (that a one term incumbent of the WH) stopdiggin Nov 13 #11

Trying to have it both ways standingtall Nov 13 #12

Hate to admit it mr715 Nov 13 #16

They are grasping.... Blasphemer Nov 13 #18

I'm getting really tired of the Biden bashing. StarryNite Nov 13 #24

Folks need to leave Biden out of this Blue_Tires Nov 13 #25

Are there people still trying to spin 2022 Zeitghost Nov 13 #28

We added a Senate seat, won governorships, narrowly lost the House EnergizedLib Nov 13 #43

We lost the House. nt mr715 Nov 14 #62

I strongly agree with the piece tman Nov 13 #29

rumors are RJ_MacReady Nov 14 #48

That alone tells us that no Dem could have won... nt Blasphemer Nov 14 #54

yeah possibly RJ_MacReady Nov 14 #55

I don't think this election Elessar Zappa Nov 14 #59

We need to stop focusing on specific candidates and figures JI7 Nov 13 #30

Spare us, please... dlk Nov 13 #31

Joe is the only candidate who has beaten the Orange Anus. CentralMass Nov 13 #34

His internal polls were terrible. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #41

My lying eyes mr715 Nov 14 #57

We will never know. CentralMass Nov 14 #58

HE WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD HAVE BEATEN TRUMP Skittles Nov 14 #63

All the party discipline in the world... Ndp5 Nov 13 #35

The original decision to run for reelection was a terrible mistake BeyondGeography Nov 13 #36

Can someone post the nonpaywalled version please? irisblue Nov 13 #39

I just now clicked on it. No paywall. No paywall when I posted it. try again please. nt Hotler Nov 15 #81

I blame the media, I blame the courts, I blame Republicans, MAGAts and law enforcement EnergizedLib Nov 13 #42

What happened? This OP shffts suddenly from '22 and Biden with the choise of... brush Nov 14 #44

He should have known Johnny2X2X Nov 14 #46

Notice, mental status and age Bettie Nov 14 #47

Haberman and Turr Johnny2X2X Nov 14 #52

Sounds like a pundit UpInArms Nov 14 #51

Wrong. crimycarny Nov 14 #53

He outperforms at the State of the Union mr715 Nov 14 #61

So a miracle candidate would have won? crimycarny Nov 14 #67

Always happy to share my crystal ball mr715 Nov 14 #68

Far more impactful things happened than the debate crimycarny Nov 14 #70

"Impactful" mr715 Nov 14 #72

Believe what you want crimycarny Nov 14 #74

Understood and respected. mr715 Nov 14 #75

And yes - crystal ball again mr715 Nov 14 #69

Is this one of those threads... Baggies Nov 14 #64

This is conflicting Baggies Nov 14 #65

I think both can be accomplished. Not all policies are unpopular In It to Win It Nov 15 #78

Not too late to change course Marthe48 Nov 14 #66

Sorry this is a load. Asa13 Nov 14 #71

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #83

Just tell me WHO that would have been flamingdem Nov 14 #73

Now I'm not so sure mr715 Nov 14 #76

Et Tu Rolling Stone? live love laugh Nov 14 #77

Whats that saying about opinions? nt BootinUp Nov 15 #79

Carville was right all along. iemanja Nov 15 #80

In hindsight, Biden should not have sought reelection. An open and competitive primary could have a produced a better tritsofme Nov 15 #82