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1. Trust these people

Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:13 AM

Nov 14

These people know what they are talking about. If they say there is a problem, there IS A PROBLEM. I have worked with Duncan Buell. He has worked over many years on election integrity issues and has always made sure that his work in this area was nonpartisan. I don't personally know the others, but I am familiar with their work. Please encourage Kamala Harris to take their advice.

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Letter from cybersecurity experts about hand counting and 2024 election anomalies [View all] Loupe Garoue Nov 14 OP

Trust these people Catbird Nov 14 #1

K&R Think. Again. Nov 14 #8

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Here is the text of the letter to VP Harris... Think. Again. Nov 14 #2

Thanks Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #3

Thank YOU! This is important stuff... Think. Again. Nov 14 #4

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Every single state, heck every single precinct Tweedy Nov 14 #26

As these security experts explain... Think. Again. Nov 14 #30

In a close election I generally do. Tweedy Nov 14 #93

Oh yes, we must stay strong on all the other fronts... Think. Again. Nov 14 #94

There will be audits everywhere Tweedy Nov 14 #95

Oh, perhaps you didn't read the letter? Think. Again. Nov 14 #96

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Raises hand... DiamondShark Nov 15 #97

Wait, you had to make a FOIA request to see audit results??? Think. Again. Nov 15 #111

I see you didn't read any other posts I made. DiamondShark Nov 15 #114

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You can FOIA the ballots. DiamondShark Nov 15 #236

Yes you can but it would be too late to change anything questionseverything Nov 15 #238

Not my problem. DiamondShark Nov 15 #240

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Did you read the letter? Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #58

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Chin music what does that mean? AkFemDem Nov 15 #156

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Oh. why don't you just hit recommend like everyone else? AkFemDem Nov 15 #161

Originality is a beautiful thing, these days. defacto7 Nov 15 #184

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You can hit "recommend" and your hit will- AkFemDem Nov 15 #162

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No, I'm talking about the algorithmic push of a thread- AkFemDem Nov 15 #165

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Okay so you do value the "recs" AkFemDem Nov 15 #171

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Chin Music is doing it the way it's always been done and defacto7 Nov 15 #182

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You do not know that. travelingthrulife Nov 15 #194

Huh? Tweedy Nov 15 #232

Thanks Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #54

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Truth will out malaise Nov 15 #109

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There is no point saving your ammunition for the bigger battles soon coming. magicarpet Nov 15 #221

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K&R defacto7 Nov 15 #183

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"We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those states were actually compromised" speak easy Nov 14 #5

Yes, these security experts are requesting... Think. Again. Nov 14 #7

Those states are doing audits Abnredleg Nov 14 #9

One of the things they are pointing out dickthegrouch Nov 14 #11

Dems hold SOS office in 6 of 7 swing states Abnredleg Nov 14 #12

It goes further than just SOS's waving a magic wand to fix things... Think. Again. Nov 14 #15

Does no one trust Harris? AkFemDem Nov 15 #159

Yes, these security experts address the audits in the letter.. Think. Again. Nov 14 #13

Point being that the facts will come out Abnredleg Nov 14 #17

I disagree, I think audits and recounts should be done... Think. Again. Nov 14 #19

They ARE doing vigorous verification Abnredleg Nov 14 #21

No, they are possibly doing belated audits... Think. Again. Nov 14 #22

Any discrepancies would be remedied Abnredleg Nov 14 #24

Pardon my American, but,... Think. Again. Nov 14 #25

Get used to the frustration Abnredleg Nov 14 #37

I think we are talking about 2 completely different subjects... Think. Again. Nov 14 #38

And why would we doubt the numbers? Abnredleg Nov 14 #39

I doubt the numbers for a few reasons... Think. Again. Nov 14 #41

This is the exact same thing that happened in 2020 Abnredleg Nov 14 #42

Hang on... Think. Again. Nov 14 #46

I was referring to the "concerns" you have Abnredleg Nov 14 #49

No, no, you said you answered all my questions... Think. Again. Nov 14 #50

I just clarified what I said Abnredleg Nov 14 #51

But you said you answered all my questions, where are the audit and recount results... Think. Again. Nov 14 #55

You're being deliberately obtuse Abnredleg Nov 14 #62

I have been painstakingly clear that I am only calling for verification of the first-count results... Think. Again. Nov 14 #67

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Swing state voter here. DiamondShark Nov 15 #100

What county is delaying the audit? DiamondShark Nov 15 #98

Amen to that ! Tweedy Nov 15 #233

Most of Trump's complaints about voter fraud Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #78

What breaches are you referring to? Abnredleg Nov 14 #79

The security breaches Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #83

I was there in 2016... DiamondShark Nov 15 #102

Read the article , these breaches happened this year questionseverything Nov 15 #237

I don't need to "read the articles." DiamondShark Nov 15 #239

Are you implying that my former coworkers are not doing their jobs? DiamondShark Nov 15 #242

I don't know who or what you might be but no techie questionseverything Nov 15 #244

As I have stated up thread. re-read the posts. DiamondShark Nov 15 #245

Nah, not the same as MAGAt Dem4life1234 Nov 14 #88

you mean, run out the clock? stillcool Nov 14 #33

They dance around the subject... DiamondShark Nov 15 #103

Absolutely the case. Bluetus Nov 15 #230

The majority of the country votes with a paper trail Abnredleg Nov 15 #231

A paper trail that you don't think any regular citizen should get to inspect questionseverything Nov 15 #251

Both parties observe the count and audits Abnredleg Nov 15 #254

No matter what you say, a thousand people could watch a machine spit out a results tape questionseverything Nov 15 #256

Ever wonder why the campaign didn't question the outcome? Abnredleg Nov 15 #258

You don't acknowledge that the system is non transparent or that American citizens have a right to oversee the questionseverything Nov 16 #269

Cool site! LeftInTX Nov 16 #277

when law enforcement investigates ANY POSSIBLE crime, speak easy Nov 14 #28

The difference being, we the American people have a right to oversee our elections questionseverything Nov 14 #32

They usually need some evidence that a crime was in fact committed before investigating Kaleva Nov 15 #177

Would exit polling work for you?.. Think. Again. Nov 15 #178

No Kaleva Nov 15 #189

okay, well... Think. Again. Nov 15 #192

I'll call the police when I have actually been mugged. Kaleva Nov 15 #196

oh no no no no no no.... Think. Again. Nov 15 #197

Where did I say that I needed ALL the evidence Kaleva Nov 15 #198

on a side note... Think. Again. Nov 15 #199

So what has the Harris campaign told you? Kaleva Nov 16 #268

Oh, I think you misunderstand... Think. Again. Nov 16 #271

You are still making these badly flawed analogies Zeitghost Nov 15 #203

oh! You didn't read the OP, did you?!? Think. Again. Nov 15 #205

We've been over this Zeitghost Nov 15 #206

And I'll say it once again... Think. Again. Nov 15 #217

A targeted hand count Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #10

There were security breaches Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #64

Well, when you investigate concerns THAT''S when you usually uncover whatever evidence there is!! ElementaryPenguin Nov 14 #92

There's this concept called probable cause Abnredleg Nov 15 #202

Why do you have such a problem with transparency in our elections? questionseverything Nov 15 #235

I like transparency but hate conspiracies Abnredleg Nov 15 #243

If American citizens are not allowed to see the actual counting of votes, questionseverything Nov 15 #246

Nonbinding does not mean ignore Abnredleg Nov 15 #247

When kerry "lost" to bush the congressional black caucus questionseverything Nov 15 #250

Unhappiness is not probable cause Abnredleg Nov 15 #252

Sniff sniff - pee ewww G.O.P. BoRaGard Nov 14 #6

To my way of thinking, AFTER witnessing what TFG WILL DO in our countrys future bluestarone Nov 14 #14

I agree, I think that rigorous result verification.. Think. Again. Nov 14 #16

Kamala lost the election fair & square. Just as Trump did in 2020. Enough said. n/t Jacson6 Nov 14 #18

Are you a cybersecurity expert? Or have access to all of the voter data? lees1975 Nov 14 #27

Raises hand, Pick me, Pick me! DiamondShark Nov 15 #104

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But..but..but..that's a conspiracy asm128 Nov 14 #20

I agree, there's a reason why the concept of recounts is a thing. Think. Again. Nov 14 #23

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Ha! Yes... Think. Again. Nov 15 #122

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THAT is the big question, although I suspect I know the answer..... Think. Again. Nov 15 #125

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I'd love to see a recount of some areas if possible Ilikepurple Nov 14 #29

Well said. Think. Again. Nov 14 #31

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Doesn't seem too promising Zeitghost Nov 14 #34

Correct... Think. Again. Nov 14 #43

You're putting the cart before the horse Zeitghost Nov 14 #53

Yes, there is "suspicion" of crimes being committed... Think. Again. Nov 14 #57

No, there is wild speculation Zeitghost Nov 14 #61

In response to your "wild speculation" claim, I guess it's okay to just post this again... Think. Again. Nov 14 #66

Right, they clearly state: Zeitghost Nov 14 #68

Right, they also clearly state at the very beginning of their letter... Think. Again. Nov 14 #70

Which is why I stated Zeitghost Nov 14 #73

But I have not made any claims at all.... Think. Again. Nov 14 #74

Yes you have Zeitghost Nov 14 #77

That's called an "analogy", spelled differently than "claim". Think. Again. Nov 14 #82

An analogy Zeitghost Nov 14 #85

The discussion was obviously about actively looking for evidence. Think. Again. Nov 14 #90

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I'm happy with that, why aren't you? NJCher Nov 14 #84

It seems to me Zeitghost Nov 14 #87

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And those with certainty that there wasn't fraud are... Think. Again. Nov 15 #124

Yep tintinvotes Nov 15 #173

These are cybersecurity experts, not the My Pillow guy. Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #174

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Did those Security Professionals compromise our election? DiamondShark Nov 15 #105

They sent the letter to Harris soandso Nov 15 #110

Elias didn't seem to think bomb scares all over Democratic strongholds were a huge problem questionseverything Nov 15 #255

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Thank you! Think. Again. Nov 15 #153

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Yep, just like real life. Think. Again. Nov 15 #155

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I agree... Think. Again. Nov 15 #166

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yup. Think. Again. Nov 15 #169

audit Autisminsight Nov 14 #35

Where's the probable cause? Abnredleg Nov 14 #36

Correction... Think. Again. Nov 14 #44

You're trying too hard Abnredleg Nov 14 #45

(psssttt... some of the first-counts aren't even done yet and audits also take a little time) Think. Again. Nov 14 #48

And audit ANY/ALL ballots that ever got near Musk's Starlink system. Attilatheblond Nov 14 #52

These folks are serious. Catbird Nov 14 #40

There is a downside to extralegal steps Abnredleg Nov 14 #47

Usually that might be true Loupe Garoue Nov 14 #56

Why would improvements have to wait until AFTER a questionable election? Think. Again. Nov 14 #60

You're begging the question Abnredleg Nov 14 #65

Nonsense. Think. Again. Nov 14 #69

Some proof would be nice Abnredleg Nov 14 #71

I agree, let's go straight to recounts and get whatever proof there may be. Think. Again. Nov 14 #72

How about establishing the need for extralegal steps? Abnredleg Nov 14 #76

Oh, okay, I guess you missed this part of the thread, here ya go... Think. Again. Nov 14 #80

That letter is assumption piled on assumption Abnredleg Nov 14 #86

That letter is the entire premise of this entire thread. Think. Again. Nov 14 #91

We did in 2016. DiamondShark Nov 15 #108

Not extralegal Catbird Nov 14 #75

A conspiracy? LiberaBlueDem Nov 14 #59

I agree, I don't think we should just "look the other way" either. Think. Again. Nov 14 #63

Do you not think that the Democratic party and Harris campaign soandso Nov 15 #112

I'm sure they would.... Think. Again. Nov 15 #121

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I don't think it should effect your opinion soandso Nov 15 #263

I don't see why I appear "desperate" to you when all I'm doing is replying to other posters. Think. Again. Nov 15 #265

Okay, then my bad soandso Nov 15 #266

I believe they seriously don't want the first-count challenged... Think. Again. Nov 16 #270

I think some are afraid of looking or being "conspiratorial" soandso Nov 16 #272

And all I'm saying is... Think. Again. Nov 16 #273

I understand soandso Nov 16 #274

And my position throughout this entire thread is that... Think. Again. Nov 16 #275

Are you saying you want a full, nationwide, recount? soandso Nov 16 #278

That should be standard practice with anything as important as public office elections... Think. Again. Nov 16 #279

I had to look up bullet ballot soandso Nov 16 #280

I am referring to these "bullet ballots"... Think. Again. Nov 16 #281

Okay, I looked at some of that and he's speculating soandso Nov 16 #282

Yes, just as when any prosecutor brings any case to court.... Think. Again. Nov 16 #283

Belief isn't enough soandso Nov 16 #284

Ye, that evidence is "discovered" through investigations, like the recounts that are being called for. Think. Again. Nov 16 #285

Yeah... About that... I'm feeling left out, ya know. DiamondShark Nov 15 #267

I hope so. Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #185

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Delete SoCalDavidS Nov 14 #81

The party who gave us FAKE ELECTORS cheat, no way! Emile Nov 14 #89

Yep Meowmee Nov 15 #99

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VP Harris, Listen and Act. We Beg You!!! pat_k Nov 15 #106

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pretty much what I said lapfog_1 Nov 15 #107

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It is ABSOLUTELY essential that the Harris/Walz campaign audit votes, but the software needs to be forensically BComplex Nov 15 #150

A simple hand count Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #186

The number of socks I have to wash today is insurmountable. rzemanfl Nov 15 #157

have you had to re-wash? stillcool Nov 15 #180

Escapees bother me more, and they never escape in pairs. rzemanfl Nov 15 #193

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You are talking to me, right? Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #187

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How do I repost this? Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #195

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How would a recount show if the systems were hacked or exploited? ecstatic Nov 15 #176

a recount of the ballots, and whatever the term is stillcool Nov 15 #179

Audits are already required by current election laws... Think. Again. Nov 15 #188

There is nothing wrong with an audit recount Jarqui Nov 15 #181

Audits are part of the certification process Abnredleg Nov 15 #200

"Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Curtain!" Think. Again. Nov 15 #201

Finally, you said something accurate Abnredleg Nov 15 #207

Maybe we should not even actually count the votes... Think. Again. Nov 15 #218

They did count the votes Abnredleg Nov 15 #220

I see, YOUR experience tells you the people who signed... Think. Again. Nov 15 #223

Not to mention the rest of the election security community Abnredleg Nov 15 #224

Oh, and you can speak for the entire election security community... Think. Again. Nov 15 #225

Your diversion tactics aren't working Abnredleg Nov 15 #227

Mmm, cool story. Think. Again. Nov 15 #228

I accept your concession Abnredleg Nov 15 #229

Hmm, yeah, how 'bout that. Think. Again. Nov 15 #257

One concession is enough Abnredleg Nov 15 #259

they're sure as hell not going to tell you NJCher Nov 15 #261

Campaigns and parties leak like sieves Abnredleg Nov 15 #262

show me NJCher Nov 15 #264

My experience as well, but you fail to address any statements I make. DiamondShark Nov 15 #248

How do we know that the Harris campaign hasn't picked up things with their own data? Jarqui Nov 15 #222

Greg Palast thinks that provisional ballots were the key, with over 2 million tossed. TheRickles Nov 15 #204

It's a bit late for this. Grins Nov 15 #208

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How many votes were cast? How many were rejected? Kid Berwyn Nov 15 #211

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for everyone on this thread lapfog_1 Nov 15 #212

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Exactly why a hand count is the only way to verify vote totals Loupe Garoue Nov 15 #219

98% of votes were cast by paper ballot. DiamondShark Nov 15 #249

Here is an LA Times article from last March about Trump's team accessing voting machines Babajida Nov 15 #241

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Go for it Babajida Nov 15 #260

K&R n/t Alice Kramden Nov 16 #276

Stephen Spoonamore was interviewed by Thom Hartmann yesterday Loupe Garoue Nov 19 #286