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In reply to the discussion: Letter from cybersecurity experts about hand counting and 2024 election anomalies [View all]stillcool
(32,806 posts)33. you mean, run out the clock?
Audits will be conducted in some of the most scrutinized states, but in key
states they will not be conducted in a timely way that could reveal any concerns
with the vote count. In addition, in most states the audits are insufficiently rigorous
to ensure any potential errors in tabulation will be caught and corrected, and they
cannot be considered a safeguard against the security breaches that have occurred.
Specifically, Georgias audits are non-binding, and Michigan, Nevada and
Wisconsin laws do not provide that the audit be conducted before certification.
Therefore, it would be impossible to know for these critical states if the audits
uncovered errors or miscalculations before the state deadlines to seek recounts.
Among swing states, only Arizonas audit laws ensure that, if enough
discrepancies are identified, the audit hand count will be expanded to correct a
potentially incorrect result. In other words, aside from Arizona, in contested states,
there is no legal mechanism for the audit to correct the outcome, no matter how
much error the audit uncovers. Given these facts, the only guarantee for rigorous,
effective audits of the vote in the swing states will be through candidate-requested
statewide hand recounts.
(emphasis mine)
The facts around the voting system breaches are not disputed; it is well-
documented that there were severe, multiple voting security breaches before the 2024 election. To ensure that voters can have confidence that the breaches in
security did not taint the results of the 2024 election, we recommend pursuing hand
recounts in, at minimum, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as they
will provide insufficient safeguards against threats posed by the breaches of the
election software and will not provide important information in a timely way.
states they will not be conducted in a timely way that could reveal any concerns
with the vote count. In addition, in most states the audits are insufficiently rigorous
to ensure any potential errors in tabulation will be caught and corrected, and they
cannot be considered a safeguard against the security breaches that have occurred.
Specifically, Georgias audits are non-binding, and Michigan, Nevada and
Wisconsin laws do not provide that the audit be conducted before certification.
Therefore, it would be impossible to know for these critical states if the audits
uncovered errors or miscalculations before the state deadlines to seek recounts.
Among swing states, only Arizonas audit laws ensure that, if enough
discrepancies are identified, the audit hand count will be expanded to correct a
potentially incorrect result. In other words, aside from Arizona, in contested states,
there is no legal mechanism for the audit to correct the outcome, no matter how
much error the audit uncovers. Given these facts, the only guarantee for rigorous,
effective audits of the vote in the swing states will be through candidate-requested
statewide hand recounts.
(emphasis mine)
The facts around the voting system breaches are not disputed; it is well-
documented that there were severe, multiple voting security breaches before the 2024 election. To ensure that voters can have confidence that the breaches in
security did not taint the results of the 2024 election, we recommend pursuing hand
recounts in, at minimum, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as they
will provide insufficient safeguards against threats posed by the breaches of the
election software and will not provide important information in a timely way.
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Letter from cybersecurity experts about hand counting and 2024 election anomalies [View all]
Loupe Garoue
Nov 14
OP
"We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those states were actually compromised"
speak easy
Nov 14
#5
But you said you answered all my questions, where are the audit and recount results...
Think. Again.
Nov 14
#55
I have been painstakingly clear that I am only calling for verification of the first-count results...
Think. Again.
Nov 14
#67
A paper trail that you don't think any regular citizen should get to inspect
questionseverything
Nov 15
#251
No matter what you say, a thousand people could watch a machine spit out a results tape
questionseverything
Nov 15
#256
You don't acknowledge that the system is non transparent or that American citizens have a right to oversee the
questionseverything
Nov 16
#269
The difference being, we the American people have a right to oversee our elections
questionseverything
Nov 14
#32
They usually need some evidence that a crime was in fact committed before investigating
Kaleva
Nov 15
#177
Well, when you investigate concerns THAT''S when you usually uncover whatever evidence there is!!
ElementaryPenguin
Nov 14
#92
If American citizens are not allowed to see the actual counting of votes,
questionseverything
Nov 15
#246
To my way of thinking, AFTER witnessing what TFG WILL DO in our countrys future
bluestarone
Nov 14
#14
Kamala lost the election fair & square. Just as Trump did in 2020. Enough said. n/t
Jacson6
Nov 14
#18
In response to your "wild speculation" claim, I guess it's okay to just post this again...
Think. Again.
Nov 14
#66
Elias didn't seem to think bomb scares all over Democratic strongholds were a huge problem
questionseverything
Nov 15
#255
(psssttt... some of the first-counts aren't even done yet and audits also take a little time)
Think. Again.
Nov 14
#48
I agree, let's go straight to recounts and get whatever proof there may be.
Think. Again.
Nov 14
#72
I don't see why I appear "desperate" to you when all I'm doing is replying to other posters.
Think. Again.
Nov 15
#265
That should be standard practice with anything as important as public office elections...
Think. Again.
Nov 16
#279
Ye, that evidence is "discovered" through investigations, like the recounts that are being called for.
Think. Again.
Nov 16
#285
It is ABSOLUTELY essential that the Harris/Walz campaign audit votes, but the software needs to be forensically
BComplex
Nov 15
#150
How do we know that the Harris campaign hasn't picked up things with their own data?
Jarqui
Nov 15
#222
Greg Palast thinks that provisional ballots were the key, with over 2 million tossed.
TheRickles
Nov 15
#204