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Hmmm. I dunno...indictments and impeachments didn't seem to make a difference...
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/robert-becker/112164/the-worse-the-chaos-that-results-the-sooner-the-eventual-revulsion-and-turnaround
The Worse the Chaos That Results, the Sooner the Eventual Revulsion and Turnaround
by Robert Becker | November 15, 2024 - 6:21am
Only consequences will ultimately persuade people what a catastrophic mistake they made.
The following is a guest opinion essay from a senior, long-time friend brilliant musician, published author and pioneer computer wizard, Severo Ornstein. ...
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copy of email sent last week
Dear [daughter]:
Im sorry the election has caused you such angst. Of course at my age its easier to be sanguine about Trump than at your age. But heres where I come down and I think its helpful to keep the following in mind.
Just as individuals ultimately have to face and deal with the consequences of their decisions and actions, so do entire societies. In the end it is the consequences of Trumps actions and the MAGA movement that will shape the course of history. The worse the chaos that results, the sooner and larger will be the eventual revulsion and turnaround. Individually there is sadly very little we can do to combat stupid actions by the overall society in which were immersed. As individuals we can certainly look for opportunities to tweak what happens, but given the overwhelming support Trumpism has obviously just been handed, I think we need to wait and let the disastrous consequences sink into the publics awareness. Its really only those consequences that will ultimately persuade people what a catastrophic mistake they made.
So if it feels hopeless, its because it probably is. Bad things are inevitably going to happen that will hurt many people, but ironically it's that very harm that will ultimately bring about change. I dont like to preach, but we learn most from our mistakes, and weve made a whopper this time.
We can watch as the entire system tries to resist his most destructive instincts, but we dont really know how that resistance will go. Right now hes got the element of surprise on his side: "How could anyone get away with doing THAT?" But eventually the chickens will start coming home to roost and there will be a groundswell of revulsion and rebellion. Only then will it be time to put shoulder to wheel. Right now any attempt by individuals will be pissing into the wind which is clearly blowing the other way. Its not just Trump thats wrong its the majority of the country that has allowed itself to be suckered. The only thing that will alter that is consequences of which there will be plenty, and no way to prevent them. Meanwhile agonizing over the various steps he will undertake does no good and only damages yourself.
There will come a time when acting will be helpful, but not at this stage. Well likely be dead and gone by then, and itll be up to your generation and the next to figure out how best to repair the damage wrought by our generations dereliction most particularly with regard to public education. Its ignorance and stupidity that are the real enemy that has allowed this to happen. A too gullible population let itself be bamboozled.
And backing off to a larger perspective, as a species weve constructed a house of cards that relies on a number of items that dont exist in endless quantity fossil fuels, dumping grounds for our detritus, etc. Were seriously damaging the very planet that we require to survive. Stopping and reversing the damage would demand dramatic changes were unwilling to undertake, and as a result the consequences and agony that are coming will surpass anything that Trump et al will be able to inflict. Our species, like many others before it, may well turn out to be an ultimately unsuccessful evolutionary experiment. So best to relax and get what enjoyment you can out of life. Rome is on fire; for the time being, might as well follow Nero and try to enjoy doing your own thing!
Love,
Dad
Im sorry the election has caused you such angst. Of course at my age its easier to be sanguine about Trump than at your age. But heres where I come down and I think its helpful to keep the following in mind.
Just as individuals ultimately have to face and deal with the consequences of their decisions and actions, so do entire societies. In the end it is the consequences of Trumps actions and the MAGA movement that will shape the course of history. The worse the chaos that results, the sooner and larger will be the eventual revulsion and turnaround. Individually there is sadly very little we can do to combat stupid actions by the overall society in which were immersed. As individuals we can certainly look for opportunities to tweak what happens, but given the overwhelming support Trumpism has obviously just been handed, I think we need to wait and let the disastrous consequences sink into the publics awareness. Its really only those consequences that will ultimately persuade people what a catastrophic mistake they made.
So if it feels hopeless, its because it probably is. Bad things are inevitably going to happen that will hurt many people, but ironically it's that very harm that will ultimately bring about change. I dont like to preach, but we learn most from our mistakes, and weve made a whopper this time.
We can watch as the entire system tries to resist his most destructive instincts, but we dont really know how that resistance will go. Right now hes got the element of surprise on his side: "How could anyone get away with doing THAT?" But eventually the chickens will start coming home to roost and there will be a groundswell of revulsion and rebellion. Only then will it be time to put shoulder to wheel. Right now any attempt by individuals will be pissing into the wind which is clearly blowing the other way. Its not just Trump thats wrong its the majority of the country that has allowed itself to be suckered. The only thing that will alter that is consequences of which there will be plenty, and no way to prevent them. Meanwhile agonizing over the various steps he will undertake does no good and only damages yourself.
There will come a time when acting will be helpful, but not at this stage. Well likely be dead and gone by then, and itll be up to your generation and the next to figure out how best to repair the damage wrought by our generations dereliction most particularly with regard to public education. Its ignorance and stupidity that are the real enemy that has allowed this to happen. A too gullible population let itself be bamboozled.
And backing off to a larger perspective, as a species weve constructed a house of cards that relies on a number of items that dont exist in endless quantity fossil fuels, dumping grounds for our detritus, etc. Were seriously damaging the very planet that we require to survive. Stopping and reversing the damage would demand dramatic changes were unwilling to undertake, and as a result the consequences and agony that are coming will surpass anything that Trump et al will be able to inflict. Our species, like many others before it, may well turn out to be an ultimately unsuccessful evolutionary experiment. So best to relax and get what enjoyment you can out of life. Rome is on fire; for the time being, might as well follow Nero and try to enjoy doing your own thing!
Love,
Dad
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The Worse the Chaos That Results, the Sooner the Eventual Revulsion and Turnaround [View all]
babylonsister
Nov 15
OP
We see no evidence that the American people will experience revulsion and a turnaround.
Irish_Dem
Nov 15
#2
So Americans should just let them go and arrest immigrants, liberals, and LGBT people?
DSandra
Nov 16
#52
Isn't this what everyone was saying the accelerationists wanted and why they voted for Trump to burn it all down?
Fish700
Nov 17
#60
The cult is so friggin brainwashed they'll be blaming Biden for inflation in 18 months
BeyondGeography
Nov 15
#21
Yea right. It's easier to con someone than convince them they have been conned.
Ray Bruns
Nov 15
#33
But the problem remains. We still have to listen to Trump's every brain fart for the next four years.
Ray Bruns
Nov 15
#30
This sounds like the Susan Sarandon theory of government and revolution.
JustABozoOnThisBus
Nov 16
#42
Election cycles usually go in 4-8 years but if we no longer have real elections, that won't happen.
kerry-is-my-prez
Nov 16
#43