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babylonsister

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Fri Nov 15, 2024, 08:13 AM Nov 15

The Worse the Chaos That Results, the Sooner the Eventual Revulsion and Turnaround [View all]

Hmmm. I dunno...indictments and impeachments didn't seem to make a difference...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/robert-becker/112164/the-worse-the-chaos-that-results-the-sooner-the-eventual-revulsion-and-turnaround

The Worse the Chaos That Results, the Sooner the Eventual Revulsion and Turnaround
by Robert Becker | November 15, 2024 - 6:21am


Only consequences will ultimately persuade people what a catastrophic mistake they made.


The following is a guest opinion essay from a senior, long-time friend – brilliant musician, published author and pioneer computer wizard, Severo Ornstein. ...

* * *

copy of email sent last week —

Dear [daughter]:

I’m sorry the election has caused you such angst. Of course at my age it’s easier to be sanguine about Trump than at your age. But here’s where I come down — and I think it’s helpful to keep the following in mind.

Just as individuals ultimately have to face and deal with the consequences of their decisions and actions, so do entire societies. In the end it is the consequences of Trump’s actions and the MAGA movement that will shape the course of history. The worse the chaos that results, the sooner and larger will be the eventual revulsion and turnaround. Individually there is sadly very little we can do to combat stupid actions by the overall society in which we’re immersed. As individuals we can certainly look for opportunities to tweak what happens, but given the overwhelming support Trumpism has obviously just been handed, I think we need to wait and let the disastrous consequences sink into the public’s awareness. It’s really only those consequences that will ultimately persuade people what a catastrophic mistake they made.

So if it feels hopeless, it’s because it probably is. Bad things are inevitably going to happen that will hurt many people, but ironically it's that very harm that will ultimately bring about change. I don’t like to preach, but we learn most from our mistakes, and we’ve made a whopper this time.

We can watch as the entire system tries to resist his most destructive instincts, but we don’t really know how that resistance will go. Right now he’s got the element of surprise on his side: "How could anyone get away with doing THAT?" But eventually the chickens will start coming home to roost and there will be a groundswell of revulsion and rebellion. Only then will it be time to put shoulder to wheel. Right now any attempt by individuals will be “pissing into the wind” — which is clearly blowing the other way. It’s not just Trump that’s wrong — it’s the majority of the country that has allowed itself to be suckered. The only thing that will alter that is consequences — of which there will be plenty, and no way to prevent them. Meanwhile agonizing over the various steps he will undertake does no good and only damages yourself.

There will come a time when acting will be helpful, but not at this stage. We’ll likely be dead and gone by then, and it’ll be up to your generation and the next to figure out how best to repair the damage wrought by our generation’s dereliction — most particularly with regard to public education. It’s ignorance and stupidity that are the real enemy that has allowed this to happen. A too gullible population let itself be bamboozled.

And backing off to a larger perspective, as a species we’ve constructed a house of cards that relies on a number of items that don’t exist in endless quantity — fossil fuels, dumping grounds for our detritus, etc. We’re seriously damaging the very planet that we require to survive. Stopping and reversing the damage would demand dramatic changes we’re unwilling to undertake, and as a result the consequences and agony that are coming will surpass anything that Trump et al will be able to inflict. Our species, like many others before it, may well turn out to be an ultimately unsuccessful evolutionary experiment. So best to relax and get what enjoyment you can out of life. Rome is on fire; for the time being, might as well follow Nero and try to enjoy doing your own thing!

Love,

Dad
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Maximum pain Macrophylla Nov 15 #1
We see no evidence that the American people will experience revulsion and a turnaround. Irish_Dem Nov 15 #2
It's all theoretical Macrophylla Nov 15 #3
How much pain will the cult need to make changes? Irish_Dem Nov 15 #5
Koolaid, perhaps? Linda ladeewolf Nov 15 #35
Exactly. Irish_Dem Nov 15 #37
American Ignoratti... La Coliniere Nov 15 #9
I hate to admit it Scubamatt Nov 15 #32
And the best defense will be the use of humor. multigraincracker Nov 15 #34
Where is... brakester Nov 15 #39
On Fantasy Island having Daiquiris with Mr Roarke and Tattoo TheKentuckian Nov 17 #59
Then it'll be too late GoreWon2000 Nov 15 #40
What if Russia uses the United States for WWIII to attack and destroy Europe? DSandra Nov 16 #44
The Japanese and Germans could not stop Hitler. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #49
The only thing that fascists listen to is power and force DSandra Nov 16 #50
Exactly. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #51
So Americans should just let them go and arrest immigrants, liberals, and LGBT people? DSandra Nov 16 #52
We have not figured out a strategy yet. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #53
Better start working on alternate methods of communication.... DSandra Nov 16 #55
That is probably the least of our problems right now. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #57
Putin will destroy Europe on his own GoreWon2000 Nov 17 #63
Isn't this what everyone was saying the accelerationists wanted and why they voted for Trump to burn it all down? Fish700 Nov 17 #60
Exactly... There is no bottom Blue_Tires Nov 15 #11
I know we keep being told what Trump and his cult cannot/will not do. Irish_Dem Nov 15 #13
The bottom is America becoming like Afghanistan DSandra Nov 16 #45
With Donnie we're halfway there 😞 Blue_Tires Nov 16 #46
If you take social security and Medicare away from senior citizens milestogo Nov 16 #47
I suspect it will be done cleverly and in increments. Irish_Dem Nov 16 #48
Good... Think. Again. Nov 15 #4
Rather than putting cash under the mattress Dan Nov 15 #6
You know they want to end the banking system as we know it Farmer-Rick Nov 15 #19
Within the expected chaos, there will pathways to effective resistance. Magoo48 Nov 15 #20
It requires the goring of personal oxen to get their attention EYESORE 9001 Nov 15 #7
People... 2naSalit Nov 15 #8
By the time we hit rock bottom, Blue_Tires Nov 15 #10
Im pretty sure most of the cult will gladly drink Johonny Nov 15 #12
Probably an awful thing to say - Lokee11 Nov 15 #18
Let trumpers DownriverDem Nov 15 #14
When things go in the shitter you know they will blame... S/V Loner Nov 15 #15
I'm afraid that history shows that idea not to be true. MineralMan Nov 15 #16
omg Passages Nov 15 #17
The cult is so friggin brainwashed they'll be blaming Biden for inflation in 18 months BeyondGeography Nov 15 #21
Nope. They'll keep blaming their problems on drag queens and immigrants, LuvLoogie Nov 15 #22
Fascist regimes can be very resilient Nasruddin Nov 15 #23
It could help in the midterms if we survive til then. surfered Nov 15 #24
turnaround voteragain Nov 15 #25
This won't happen if media like Fox News continue keeping them in the dark oldmanlynn Nov 15 #26
When it effects their wallet, they just might realize they were conned. appleannie1 Nov 15 #27
Yea right. It's easier to con someone than convince them they have been conned. Ray Bruns Nov 15 #33
Germany eventually recovered from Hitler, but the cost was horrific. Ocelot II Nov 15 #28
I will be honest, though part of the issue is the Democratic Party oldmanlynn Nov 15 #29
Oldmanlynn, brakester Nov 16 #41
Sorry was letting my phone dictate. I corrected it. oldmanlynn Nov 17 #58
But the problem remains. We still have to listen to Trump's every brain fart for the next four years. Ray Bruns Nov 15 #30
It's a hope I've been clinging to. It's one reason... LAS14 Nov 15 #31
Something seems to be forgotten though shawn703 Nov 15 #36
Yes! Mencken said it years ago Grins Nov 15 #38
This sounds like the Susan Sarandon theory of government and revolution. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 16 #42
Election cycles usually go in 4-8 years but if we no longer have real elections, that won't happen. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 16 #43
That's nice, the revultion factor witll cause a negative reaction and eventual turnaround. brush Nov 16 #54
Easy to say if your not LGBT DSandra Nov 16 #56
Those outside the "mainstream" John Shaft Nov 17 #61
For much of America, all it takes is a job loss and their job field being automated, making it hard or impossible... DSandra Nov 17 #62
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