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jaxexpat

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87. My wife's nephew refused a request that he re-enlist (he's a very smart guy with computers) because he'd been told to be

Reply to Dan (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 15, 2024, 10:33 AM

Nov 15

sure to cast his ballot by his lieutenant but only if he votes Republican. I'd heard about shit like that. He confirmed it.

That's why I've been probing the consensus regarding the concept, "commander in chief". I fear that definition will become exceptionally important, sooner than later. Unlike contracts, which theoretically attempt to create definition to ensure clarity to all parties for all parties, politics, of which all standing militaries are an extension, are often unilateral, easily triggered to reactionism and loaded with self-serving pre/misconceptions. The only facet of human interpersonal relationships which gives politics a chance to be workable is the perception of trust. Our soon-to-be executive is many things but trustworthy he is not. We should all be able calculate the outcome of that equation, if we dare.

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Retired Major General Paul Eaton Issues A Chilling Warning [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 13 OP

Trump is allied with Putin who wants the US military degraded, even destroyed. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #1

yep Cosmocat Nov 13 #4

Trumper Dumper Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #45

He's doing it if he's not stopped. What we consider the American military will be Trumps personal revenge slave army. jaxexpat Nov 13 #12

No one will stop him. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #13

Maybe someone with certain skills and a desire to see the country survive will weigh in Orrex Nov 13 #18

Oh no, that won't work. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #31

You misunderstood the post. liberalgunwilltravel Nov 14 #64

I shared the same opinion earlier. Its bound to happen if he goes too far. hootman Nov 14 #66

I did not misunderstand the post. Irish_Dem Nov 14 #71

And by targeting, publicly, our SS and Medicare along with ALL govt institutions most of us will be far too Eliot Rosewater Nov 14 #77

Becoming a Russian colony was not on my bucket list. Irish_Dem Nov 14 #78

So then, the term "commander in chief" will be revealed as only an empty title. jaxexpat Nov 13 #19

Just as Dump is doing to the presidency and the office's oath to protect and defend the constitution. mdbl Nov 13 #21

I have no problem with KS Toronado Nov 13 #27

This is why Trump has to get the military under his thumb right away. First thing. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #33

"Nobody will stop him", is the part that I find disconcerting. Magoo48 Nov 13 #29

Our entire huge government failed us and toppled like dominoes. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #32

Yup. Magoo48 Nov 13 #35

We hope only 4 years. And one person specifically could have prevented this MadameButterfly Nov 13 #42

Yes and yes Irish_Dem Nov 13 #43

The secret is not to vote him into the most powerful position in the world Fish700 Nov 13 #55

We The People failed horribly as well, yes. Irish_Dem Nov 14 #72

Correct, except for the 4-year part. They'll never disappear once installed. jaxexpat Nov 14 #57

IMO Vance wil 25th him after the midterms. hootman Nov 14 #67

A likely scenario. The outrageousness will never stop with this ship of fools. jaxexpat Nov 14 #68

Good point. They hit the jackpot and won't leave easily if at all. Irish_Dem Nov 14 #73

And how would you say we go about that exactly? He won the election. cstanleytech Nov 13 #24

Martial law, arrest co-conspirators. It's a special time and requires special acts to preserve the nation. jaxexpat Nov 14 #56

And who can authorize that? Biden won't and for good reason because that would definitely cause a civil war. cstanleytech Nov 14 #82

Okay, I've been advised that my ideas are unacceptably kooky. I sit corrected. jaxexpat Nov 15 #88

Of course we've been in one but It's been an ideology one and it should remain one. cstanleytech Nov 15 #90

What you're saying reminds me that the problem boils down to campaign financing. jaxexpat Nov 15 #91

Essentially, yes it is and even though it was a misjudgment that was made on where to spend the money it can be fixed. cstanleytech Nov 15 #92

Kinda reminds me of that last conversation many dinosaurs had. jaxexpat Nov 16 #93

Everything is gone. Everything. Eliot Rosewater Nov 14 #76

I was wondering if any other career military were going to speak out... FirstLight Nov 13 #2

Pentagon Bureaucracy is hard to overcome. haele Nov 13 #9

According to what I read, generals have 30 days to retire after a negative report from the warrior board. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #16

And if they don't? It has to be irrefutable. haele Nov 13 #25

What, then, does the term "commander in chief" actually mean? jaxexpat Nov 14 #58

President is only Commander in Chief during times of declared War. haele Nov 14 #63

Okay, and I understand that using the US military on American soil is against the law as well. jaxexpat Nov 14 #70

Current active generals cannot speak out. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #14

The military will take care of its' own. Dan Nov 13 #26

Trump ? STUDY ???? SRSLY ?? eppur_se_muova Nov 13 #30

What are you saying? What's their specialty, bribery, extortion, terrorist threatening? Surely you're not boasting? jaxexpat Nov 14 #74

What I am saying, Dan Nov 14 #80

I sense and respect your passion about the mission of the military. jaxexpat Nov 15 #85

Your friend was right. Dan Nov 15 #86

My wife's nephew refused a request that he re-enlist (he's a very smart guy with computers) because he'd been told to be jaxexpat Nov 15 #87

Active military brass do not speak out. wnylib Nov 13 #53

Sadly this will only be seen by those like us kerouac2 Nov 13 #3

They will only notice when it's in their faces mdbl Nov 13 #22

So what becomes of this TFG-loyal MAGA military corps... localroger Nov 13 #5

Vance will succeed Trump. The MAGA movement is.beyond wnylib Nov 13 #54

I seem to recall Republicans blocking promotions of hundreds of officers for over a year Fiendish Thingy Nov 13 #6

That was GOP Senator Tuberville. Lasher Nov 13 #47

That doesn't stop the military Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #49

Rick, are those rich and powerful men, you refer, more powerful than those who installed Trump? jaxexpat Nov 14 #59

President Biden has a constitutional duty to protect our constitution. I suggest he use it. Clouds Passing Nov 13 #7

Absolutely Rebl2 Nov 13 #28

He is speaking to probably the most historically ignorant citizenry our country has known in generations. Jit423 Nov 13 #8

The MAGA Warrior Board Otto_Harper Nov 13 #10

Thanks for the warning... Ysabel Nov 13 #11

Here are some things that Generals talked Trump out of in his previous administration. Kablooie Nov 13 #15

I would add Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #50

The genie's out of the bottle. Too late, because of her emails. No, wait, b/c Democrats needed to be punished. ffr Nov 13 #17

Exactly so, there are only a handful of weeks available to resuscitate the victim. jaxexpat Nov 14 #60

The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization. They are the enemy from within. Initech Nov 13 #20

We know who's shit list Major General Eaton is noe KPN Nov 13 #23

TY Kick for Retired Major General Paul Eaton. 💙 Cha Nov 13 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author The Unmitigated Gall Nov 13 #36

If you've taken an oath to defend and protect the constitution lees1975 Nov 13 #37

Second person today using the feudal word "fealty" instead of "loyalty" -- pay attention Hekate Nov 13 #38

The distinction is lost on too many. At their/our peril, I'm afraid. jaxexpat Nov 14 #61

".... good model to keep" Turbineguy Nov 13 #39

Stunning how ineffective Kellys warning were and he was not alone. Passages Nov 13 #40

Would have been nice if he'd said this at the DNC AdamGG Nov 13 #41

The Military Swears an Oath, as Miley Noted, to the Constitution. If the Constitution is destroyed, as is clearly... NNadir Nov 13 #44

As president, Trump will have sworn a similar oath to the Constitution. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 14 #75

Is that true of everyone else? NNadir Nov 14 #79

Is what true of who? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 14 #81

I think you answered the question yourself NNadir Nov 14 #83

A majority of the people who take the oath seriously are members of what I call "Civil Service". ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 15 #84

The Russian Invasion is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE Blue Owl Nov 13 #46

i can't tell you how mad i am that the 5% or so who pay 0 attention to anything but voted to put drumpf over the top Takket Nov 13 #48

When will US citizens begin falling out of windows? C Moon Nov 13 #51

Putin will advise Trump how to thoroughly decimate the US military dlk Nov 13 #52

Dictators need absolute control over the military. And Trump dreams of being a dictator. Joe_Gadway Nov 14 #62

Peter Zeihan used an apt description of Russia's military. BobTheSubgenius Nov 14 #65

I Don't Trust RobinA Nov 14 #69

I can see now that the phrase "serve the country well" was quite poorly chosen. BobTheSubgenius Nov 15 #89