Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

creeksneakers2

(7,635 posts)
154. I'm very skeptical here
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 03:19 PM
Nov 2024

I remember the name Spoonamore from election fraud theories from Ohio in 2004. I didn't buy into those and looks like this Spoonamore guy has made other claims. I really don't get where these "bullet ballot" statistics come from. Who counted these? Who would and why? And I can see how that could be learned from paper ballots but not voting machines. And he claims to have these statistics for 50 states.

I don't see the harm in asking for a hand recount in a couple of precincts if there are suspicious results but I don't want to see some kook story go viral until there is better evidence. I'm very proud of the fact that my side does not push falsehoods like the right does.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I'm totally in on the Hand Jive Recount thingy. Count them up. BoRaGard Nov 2024 #1
He will be on the Thomm Hartman program Monday Ferryboat Nov 2024 #62
I saw this posted on Bluesky, but can't confirm. Do you have anything? Native Nov 2024 #128
On Friday markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #247
Thanks! Native Nov 2024 #248
I've been saying from Nov. 6 that no way trump won every swing state.... brush Nov 2024 #191
Didn't she say... XarmyGal Nov 2024 #166
I don't recall her ever pledging to chase around conspiracy theories to placate election deniers? tritsofme Nov 2024 #171
Worried? OhioBack2Blue Nov 2024 #187
lol tritsofme Nov 2024 #190
well why not? azureblue Nov 2024 #216
Spoonamore's onto something. sop Nov 2024 #2
What About These Subject Matter Experts to Endorse a Hand Recount? MrWowWow Nov 2024 #64
Especially if Starlink was involved. colorado_ufo Nov 2024 #215
It should be done. Liberal In Texas Nov 2024 #3
EXACTLY! Lunabell Nov 2024 #4
Greg Palast thinks that almost 3 million provisional ballots were dumped. TheRickles Nov 2024 #5
Since Trump won by 2,705,700 more popular votes, a provisional ballot challenge might work. ancianita Nov 2024 #37
Still counting OhioBack2Blue Nov 2024 #189
I'm aware. We have until Dec 11. Thing is, when will count challenges be filed in courts? ancianita Nov 2024 #201
Duh! malaise Nov 2024 #6
NC dweller Nov 2024 #7
Yeah, that is kind of suspicious. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #32
How many votes did Biden get there? Surely it wasn't 356,844 - 0. TheRickles Nov 2024 #48
It's an elementary school level of cheating. Evidence it and jail everyone who touched the illegitimate ballots. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #68
If proven, might be ironically uncomfortable for VP Harris to certify trump lostnfound Nov 2024 #77
If there is proof of enough ballot fraud the electors "faithfulness" will be a point of great focus. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #96
He will be osteopath6 Nov 2024 #109
All that cry baby has done his entire life is lie & cheat at everything. KS Toronado Nov 2024 #142
BS Doodley Nov 2024 #155
I respectfully disagree. RandomNumbers Nov 2024 #158
Innocent question... waltzy Nov 2024 #219
Why do you ask? Welcome to DU GP6971 Nov 2024 #220
Answers RandomNumbers Nov 2024 #246
No one gets to pin the legitimization of "election denial" on the Democrats when... Karasu Nov 2024 #164
Counterpoint ... krkaufman Nov 2024 #210
WHAT !!! HUAJIAO Nov 2024 #79
See my post dweller Nov 2024 #88
Yes. This is really suspicious here in NC ms liberty Nov 2024 #144
Compared to other state-wide races, Trump got the 4th most votes for a Republican muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #211
Quite possible HarryM Nov 2024 #225
But she conceded Patton French Nov 2024 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #21
Yes, and it's up to The People to find the evidence of fraud. ancianita Nov 2024 #39
Elections are not decided because a candidate concedes or whopis01 Nov 2024 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #51
Concessions are not binding if there is fraud. OMGWTF Nov 2024 #129
It doesn't matter as she would've conceeded on the basis that she had in fact lost and that the votes were legitimate Galraedia Nov 2024 #198
That really is suspicious, but since she conceded so quickly I'm sure we're screwed. Vinca Nov 2024 #9
Does the consession prevent a recount? MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #22
+1 ancianita Nov 2024 #40
I would hope not, but I'm not optimistic. It's all moved into "kumbaya" mode from what I can gather. Vinca Nov 2024 #107
No concession don't prevent a recount standingtall Nov 2024 #147
Haven't there bern past elections.. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #34
Gore rescinded his against Bush Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #237
I thought so... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #240
I'm sure all of this Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #241
I can't access the article at Daily Kos Kaleva Nov 2024 #10
I can't either. I went directly to DK and could find nothing. Maggiemayhem Nov 2024 #17
I couldn't access it either MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #19
This is odd dss Nov 2024 #127
Yeah, getting a giant Access Denied (403) warning Babajida Nov 2024 #160
No one can - DK took it down. soldierant Nov 2024 #170
Brad blog interviewed the guy today on his radio show questionseverything Nov 2024 #182
Is this the story you are looking for? Typewitch Nov 2024 #224
Thanks! Apparently Daily Kos zapped the article Kaleva Nov 2024 #239
I Concur On The Recount. GB_RN Nov 2024 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #24
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #49
I can't tell you Mr. Evil Nov 2024 #86
Really? Tweedy Nov 2024 #145
They sent the votes to Tennessee in 2004 Beck23 Nov 2024 #63
Yep, SmarTech, who was working for the Bush campaign... CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #27
Concession is NOT legally binding...Reread what happened during the Bush v Gore. Al Gore conceded & then The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 2024 #45
We are going to get this right osteopath6 Nov 2024 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #139
That is the serious concern here Babajida Nov 2024 #163
Is there something we can do to make this happen MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #16
I need to get access to this article before I do anything so I know what I'm talking about MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #23
It says the info came from X Loupe Garoue Nov 2024 #47
Brad blog has a great article about all these concerns and interviews one election specialist questionseverything Nov 2024 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #85
Elias is saying there was no fraud johnnyfins Nov 2024 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #106
I believe our best bet is to be as loud as possible... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #36
Why would contacting those people make them believe in baseless conspiracy theories like this? tritsofme Nov 2024 #159
Access denied wildflowergardener Nov 2024 #18
I don't want to sound too conspiratorial here MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #30
How can I get access to that MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #35
Here is the OP about the "letter"... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #52
Might be taken down for a good reason creeksneakers2 Nov 2024 #151
I wish they would do recounts. 2naSalit Nov 2024 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #31
NC has paper ballots Abnredleg Nov 2024 #41
Try this Link MrWowWow Nov 2024 #42
I found the Duty to Warn letter on Substack, and I copied it in full in a subsequent post here Native Nov 2024 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #61
Is Marc Alias looking into this? Blue Owl Nov 2024 #43
Here it is on Substack: Native Nov 2024 #46
Thank you! Think. Again. Nov 2024 #54
I also completely forgot that Musk's "lottery" was only available to swing state, registered voters. Native Nov 2024 #98
Yes, hopefully attorneys are looking into all that too. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #113
excellent point NJCher Nov 2024 #140
I updatedmy post. I inadvertently included the wrong link. Native Nov 2024 #120
Thanks again! Think. Again. Nov 2024 #124
Buell was a guest on brad cast and the brad blog has an excellent article today about his concerns questionseverything Nov 2024 #181
May I ask you for a link? Or more info on the "Brad Cast" so I can find a link? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #184
Google bradblog , I can't post a link on my phone but questionseverything Nov 2024 #186
Thanks! I'll search now... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #188
Here it is! Thanks! Think. Again. Nov 2024 #192
No, thank you for everything you are doing, trying to raise awareness questionseverything Nov 2024 #194
Yes, WE are ultimately responsible for our Democracy (no matter what our elected officials say about that). Think. Again. Nov 2024 #196
Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ---- ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 19 #252
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #60
What form should these protests take? MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #93
Thanks you!!!! MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #67
I updated my post. I inadvertently included the wrong link to the duty to warn letter. Native Nov 2024 #121
These Election Security Experts Need to Endorse the Hand Recount MrWowWow Nov 2024 #70
Thank you Helicoptercatmom Nov 2024 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Native Nov 2024 #122
I accidentally pasted the wrong link. Here's the correct one Native Nov 2024 #123
Thank you, Native... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 2024 #209
It was also saved on archive.is (not by me) soldierant Nov 2024 #245
Also can't access, but here is some other info masmdu Nov 2024 #53
Also, very strange that this is not available on masmdu Nov 2024 #55
How can there be 350,000 "bullet ballots" in North Carolina? Only 88,511 fewer votes for Gov. than Pres. onenote Nov 2024 #56
That is my thought as well. n/t John1956PA Nov 2024 #94
I keep looking at NCSBE dweller Nov 2024 #104
Canvassing in NC ends Friday, November 15th Abnredleg Nov 2024 #133
Bold of you to ask for evidence Sympthsical Nov 2024 #117
So how many of us have called the White House? Marc Elias? The governor of NC? The governors of the swing states? BComplex Nov 2024 #57
I agree Beck23 Nov 2024 #59
Wow. Can you find any documentation of that online? Native Nov 2024 #100
Stephen Spoonamore is a grifter. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #227
Interesting. Native Nov 2024 #231
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 2024 #232
When you spend as much time as I have... DiamondShark Nov 2024 #233
Mango Mussolini filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results of the 2020 election. Why doesn't Kamala do the same??? LaMouffette Nov 2024 #66
Because Harris isn't a grifter. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #228
If a recount shows there was fraud defacto7 Nov 2024 #69
Wasn't aware of the bullet ballots - they don't make sense. I would fully support a hand count. n/t iluvtennis Nov 2024 #72
As reluctant as I am to conspiracies, something doesn't add up especially after reading this underpants Nov 2024 #74
Please fix your source or delete this post. AllyCat Nov 2024 #75
see post #46 Native Nov 2024 #102
Maybe you should delete your post asm128 Nov 2024 #131
Actually, I did read it. The link was there with where the poster AllyCat Nov 2024 #135
ban hammer Kali999 Nov 2024 #137
The social media influencers are grifting. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #229
The technical report came out a few days ago Beck23 Nov 2024 #76
Could you please share the technical report? masmdu Nov 2024 #83
There are others here who can understand some or all of that "IT lingo". Any reason you aren't sharing the link? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #108
I will summarize it... DiamondShark Nov 2024 #230
K&R SheltieLover Nov 2024 #78
Start with the states that he was screaming fraud thinkingagain Nov 2024 #80
This certainly seems suspicious but... Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #82
Trump was targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Nov 2024 #116
Keep in mind that this fraud, if true, johnnyfins Nov 2024 #84
If this were a primary The Madcap Nov 2024 #87
You would have to be really stupid to stack 300,000 votes for only Trump and not expected to.. yourout Nov 2024 #89
There are posts on Reddit where people are looking at New York and finding a lot of the same thing Native Nov 2024 #110
Now I'm suspicious and want to know more. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #90
This isn't about "conspiracy"! CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #91
Republicans haven't won an honest Presidential Election or been the legacy of a dishonest one since Ike. Botany Nov 2024 #92
Makes more sense to me than him bringing in new voters Tribetime Nov 2024 #95
Read this last night, and it certainly merits further consideration CanonRay Nov 2024 #99
"Access Denied" on all links about Soonamore on Daily Kos karin_sj Nov 2024 #101
Trying to correct the typo on my post... karin_sj Nov 2024 #103
see my post, #46. i copied the letter. Native Nov 2024 #112
This might be of help. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #234
Bullet Ballots? Mr.Bee Nov 2024 #105
Not rigged osteopath6 Nov 2024 #111
per NBC, experts found 3 dozen US voting sysyems connected to the Internet. Native Nov 2024 #114
Pisswig and Mikey's dweller Nov 2024 #118
Article from Jan 2020, but still potentially relevant Mike 03 Nov 2024 #134
& this other oldie but goodie - Connell being suicided before testifying about voter fraud and also mentions Spoonamore Native Nov 2024 #136
That is auspicious. LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #119
This looks like credible evidence that the election was hacked. If somebody told you before the election that Trump Doodley Nov 2024 #125
a reply to a post on Bluesky says Spoonamore will be on the Thom Hartmann Show this Monday Native Nov 2024 #126
This is not far fetched... judy Nov 2024 #130
Computer experts? Progressive dog Nov 2024 #132
Programmable electronics can be programmed. But, Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2024 #138
Musk just warned us on Twitter that there will be consequences for those who pushed foreign interference hoaxes Native Nov 2024 #141
Sure Leon dweller Nov 2024 #146
It won't be Merrick Wednesdays Nov 2024 #199
My Dad voted for Harris and no one else on the ballot. It's not uncommon. Wanderlust988 Nov 2024 #143
You are right, it's not uncommon. But this election was uncommonly higher than all past elections. Native Nov 2024 #150
And, if not mistaken, uncommonly higher specifically in the swing states Babajida Nov 2024 #169
The actual numbers don't support the the "bullet ballot" claim. onenote Nov 2024 #179
Do you have evidence that it's not uncommon? The author of the letter states that it is usually Doodley Nov 2024 #157
the letter discussed this Native Nov 2024 #173
Maybe we should pay these experts big money BootinUp Nov 2024 #148
Keep this at the top. nt returnee Nov 2024 #149
I'm all in favor of audits. snot Nov 2024 #152
Why are we not doing a recount? What is there to lose? pinkstarburst Nov 2024 #153
There are statutory requirements for recounts Abnredleg Nov 2024 #161
Any candidate can ask for a recount, but they have to pay if the difference is above a certain percentage questionseverything Nov 2024 #218
I'm very skeptical here creeksneakers2 Nov 2024 #154
he testified in that case. considered an expert. this is all over Reddit and Native Nov 2024 #176
I debunked it here: creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #264
I'm wondering if someone threatened the Harris Walz families MagickMuffin Nov 2024 #156
Good lord, Harris and Waltz aren't shucking ridiculous conspiracy theories...so you concoct another ridiculous tritsofme Nov 2024 #162
Nor am I, I stated it could be a possibility not that it happened MagickMuffin Nov 2024 #204
There's a possibility that little green men from Mars used a space laser to change the votes. tritsofme Nov 2024 #214
Al Gore spoke eloquently on why he stopped pursuing the recount Babajida Nov 2024 #168
Well Al Gore had no choice in the matter after the 5 to 4 decision MagickMuffin Nov 2024 #205
Gore did all he could short of starting a civil war GoreWon2000 Jan 8 #265
Can you post the salient points of that article here? Babajida Nov 2024 #165
see post #54. it's there. Native Nov 2024 #172
Duty to warn WriteFight Nov 19 #251
I completely believed that Harris was/is a fighter! That she is strong, incorruptible, brave, and different. colorado_ufo Nov 2024 #167
I would give money to do this for Harris.............and Greg Palast is really good when it comes to voting............ turbinetree Nov 2024 #174
Here is how. After the first $41,300 goes to the DNC, the next $3,300 goes for the Harris recount fund MichMan Nov 2024 #235
Thank you turbinetree Nov 2024 #249
Democracy requires the certainty that such a recount would provide. n/t Beartracks Nov 2024 #175
Could also it be that a large number of MAGA voters cared only about voting for Trump Ocelot II Nov 2024 #177
They were targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Nov 2024 #180
In Seven swing states then they voted for trump and then voted for the Democratic running for senate. Ninga Nov 19 #257
And where is Trump on recounts and rigged elections? He barely won a majority bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #178
Well time's a wasting, better get a move on it. /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #185
It's just so hard for us to admit to ourselves. SidneyR Nov 2024 #193
Heads up! Recounts require observers! Hope22 Nov 2024 #195
What happened to trusting our election processes and officials? HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #197
any computer system that emulates human work -- requires human spot checks cadoman Nov 2024 #200
Im all for it if this is true....makes more sense to me than drumph gaining voters Tribetime Nov 2024 #202
Harris Will Ask For Recounts annielion Nov 2024 #203
Any body know ????? aurora the great Nov 2024 #206
Jeeze... Not this shit again. reACTIONary Nov 2024 #207
Does it have to be Harris? mzmolly Nov 2024 #208
I think it has to be Harris annielion Nov 2024 #212
Crud. I wonder if a lower level candidate can do it? mzmolly Nov 2024 #217
Lower level candidate? annielion Nov 2024 #222
Looks like the first step would be for everyone to donate $44,600 apiece MichMan Nov 2024 #238
I mean somebody down ballot. mzmolly Nov 2024 #242
Unless it is a statewide office, any recount would only be for a limited area MichMan Nov 2024 #243
Senate candidates mzmolly Nov 2024 #244
When I lived in WI, I watched the REBULICAN city clerk, remove ballots from the voting machine, Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #213
This Could Be DallasNE Nov 2024 #221
I'm glad to see this on the top of the greatest page nt garybeck Nov 2024 #223
Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories ... TomWilm Nov 2024 #226
"extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" - TBF Nov 19 #254
I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ... TomWilm Nov 19 #260
I'm not as confident as you are in the process - TBF Nov 19 #263
Spoonamore is a Republican. FYI DiamondShark Nov 2024 #236
So is Dick Cheney. Your point? nt TBF Nov 19 #255
Do you trust Dick Cheney? DiamondShark Nov 19 #256
I trust very few people and party has little to do with it - TBF Nov 19 #259
I agree with what you said. DiamondShark Nov 19 #261
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 19 #262
Duty to warn WriteFight Nov 19 #250
Duty To Warn letters WriteFight Nov 19 #253
K&R for exposure. Nt Ninga Nov 19 #258
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Rigged? Computer Security...»Reply #154