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EdmondDantes_

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33. Think about the difference between GDP and income

Reply to In It to Win It (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:59 PM

Nov 16

GDP has gone up, but income down for a lot of people because of inflation. Telling people that the economy is great because the stock market is going up or GDP is increasing but largely not talking meaningfully about income inequality much less trying to fix it. And no, even the Democrats in office aren't doing nearly enough on that front in my opinion. Obviously Republicans are worse, but they are paying lip service. It doesn't help that largely Big Tech and education has been Democratic as a rule. It will be interesting seeing how the libertarian bent of many tech leaders will impact this.

Or how reducing student loan debt leaves out the people who didn't go to college. Or policies encouraging going to college and how that might be off-putting to people who didn't go.

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Serious qestion: I feel like I'm being gaslit. Where does the perception of "Democratic elitism" come from? [View all] In It to Win It Nov 16 OP

if you support people I hate due to my religious beliefs you are elitist nt msongs Nov 16 #1

From Atlantic to Pacific Ocean, we won 4 states. jimfields33 Nov 16 #10

they know blue states subsidize red states Skittles Nov 16 #2

And now that 32 states are red. The blue states won't be jimfields33 Nov 16 #12

It was invisible. It was sold through churches and MAGA voting lists. bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #3

From the Republican elites that are running the propaganda firehose? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #4

Completely agree. But why are left-leaning people who know better are also saying it? In It to Win It Nov 16 #9

Those that can't see, want to be blind. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #19

Rooted in anti-intellectualism, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 16 #5

That's the best explanation I've seen/heard. Have also wondered about elitism when it's allegorical oracle Nov 16 #23

Or, to put it a little more crudely, soldierant Sunday #74

Interesting original meaning. electric_blue68 Monday #131

Because they play the dumb card and we call them on it. boston bean Nov 16 #6

Elitist used to mean someone (rich) who lived a life so far Tadpole Raisin Nov 16 #7

I completely agree. Republicans now reject science, medicine, education. tulipsandroses Monday #118

Started with Woodrow Wilson. And honestly, before the southern strategy got the parties to flip, haele Nov 16 #8

If you know who the speaker of the house is and what this position does you're in the top 20% of governmental knowledge uponit7771 Nov 16 #11

People smarter than Republicans are. travelingthrulife Nov 16 #13

It is bullshit, spread by some of the MSM talking iidiots. The most elitist is the sociopath, and his hench men. JohnSJ Nov 16 #14

I would agree. What confuses me is people who are on our side also saying it... In It to Win It Nov 16 #15

Are they really on "our" side? That statement is lie. The Democratic Party is NOT shouting "down" to anybody. It is a JohnSJ Nov 16 #20

people "on our side" - TBF Nov 16 #27

David Axelrod, Chris Murphy, a few here on DU post that Democrats do this In It to Win It Nov 16 #35

That is 2 well known people and one low count poster - TBF Nov 16 #37

Ok, I think we're on the same page. Just making sure I wasn't crazy. In It to Win It Nov 16 #41

I think that idea has been there for many years Meowmee Nov 16 #16

Yeah, I've been saying that too about the so-called liberal elite schools In It to Win It Nov 16 #17

The ivy league schools are more like legacy media -- simply have been around a long time. They allegorical oracle Nov 16 #25

They've not only been around a long time, TBF Nov 16 #38

Coastal elites, limousine liberals, celebrity endorsements MaryMagdaline Nov 16 #18

Half the country has less than $400. For an emergency questionseverything Monday #109

They make good money and are highly skilled. MaryMagdaline Monday #114

Elitism is the new term for... S/V Loner Nov 16 #21

DON'T OVERTHINK IT. JEWS! ANTI-SEMITISM. usonian Nov 16 #22

You're asking this question in the wrong space Sympthsical Nov 16 #24

So where is it you hang out when you're not here? Is that where you're recommending the OP go? Hekate Nov 16 #32

I read everywhere Sympthsical Nov 16 #39

It's A Line RobinA Sunday #68

I know two people who voted Trump and they give up when I try to talk politics with them. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #130

If you were, like, supercool dpibel Sunday #86

As a 'coastal elite', Abolishinist Monday #90

Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 16 #40

But I have talked with people who leaned toward Trump. Regular ass everyday folks In It to Win It Sunday #55

I'll give you one major example that I've heard a lot of Sympthsical Monday #119

You ARE being gaslit. That's the point. The message comes from republicans who Scrivener7 Nov 16 #26

This. nt TBF Nov 16 #28

It comes from MAGAGOP. About the time I slogged my way thru a graduate degree, I realized... Hekate Nov 16 #29

"Elites" is yet another euphemism... appmanga Nov 16 #30

Sounds about right. "Critical thinking" is a baaaad thing. Hekate Nov 16 #34

Good point. Get rid of the word "elite," and concentrate on the divide between... LAS14 Sunday #45

I'd agree except undereducated people intheflow Sunday #46

Why isn't it taught in K-12 public schools? MichMan Sunday #54

Mostly Because we teach to standardized tests. intheflow Sunday #61

Are you referring exclusively to red states? MichMan Sunday #62

No, it's been national form for some time. intheflow Sunday #63

But then, and this cannot be denied, you have a not insignificant number of educators, administrators, and/or curricula Seeking Serenity Sunday #82

A big problem also, tho, intheflow Monday #113

Aww, thank you. Seeking Serenity Monday #116

I totally agree. Education at every level must be the best that it can be. LAS14 Sunday #69

Hmmmm... respectfully... electric_blue68 Monday #95

Never said they shouldn't be celebrated. intheflow Monday #111

Biden has argued multiple times wryter2000 Sunday #85

Because with our current media, it's easier for them to call Ds elitist than Rs racist. W_HAMILTON Nov 16 #31

Think about the difference between GDP and income EdmondDantes_ Nov 16 #33

Student loans were never supposed to leave you staggering under debt that would make a loan-shark blush Hekate Nov 16 #36

I don't disagree, but then again I had 20,000 forgiven EdmondDantes_ Sunday #70

Are the goalposts being moved in this discussion? There's a *lot* to be said about lack of college funding... Hekate Sunday #72

Higher education used to be nearly free alarimer Monday #125

It's just a variation of limousine liberal that was used out of the 1970s and 80s... Self Esteem Nov 16 #42

"I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians." LAS14 Nov 16 #43

Well, how about focusing on the present, and adding some historical background electric_blue68 Monday #132

One example where the Rs have a point. The term Latinx was mostly pushed by Anglo progressives including kelly1mm Nov 16 #44

Literally nobody outside academe uses that term. yardwork Sunday #49

Not any more. Look at DU posts from 2021-2023. You can use the search function above. Is DU kelly1mm Sunday #56

I feel properly shamed and abashed. yardwork Sunday #57

Misinformation/disinformation needs to be called out. Plus words mean things like 'literally'. kelly1mm Sunday #58

You might want to tell Sen. Warren MichMan Sunday #60

It's nothing new. VP Agnew referred to 'An effete core of impudent snobs' Ping Tung Sunday #47

You are being gaslit and it comes from Republican propaganda. yardwork Sunday #48

Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been Kashkakat v.2.0 Sunday #50

Probably from Frank Luntz... kirby Sunday #51

At one point I wondered this too, however... ThePartyThatListens Sunday #52

Could you be more specific about (i quote you) electric_blue68 Monday #96

It's still on right now, so turn to Morning Joe ThePartyThatListens Monday #112

I'll see if I can find it bc I finally went to sleep electric_blue68 Monday #133

MAGAts Sneederbunk Sunday #53

From republican talking points and their upmanship. republianmushroom Sunday #59

White males must have no identity maxrandb Sunday #64

Do you want an honest answer from someone who is in the bottom 80% and who has lived around them a lot? DSandra Sunday #65

That also applies to the Republican Party. The most powerful of them are the professional class... and so on. In It to Win It Sunday #67

Later in life I haven't had much money but I get a few special items from Trader's & Whole Foods electric_blue68 Monday #97

I'm talking about the people who have power... DSandra Tuesday #134

I understand that, and that applies to the Republican Party as well. In It to Win It Tuesday #136

As a lifelong Democrat DemonGoddess Monday #103

But much of the Democratic Party power is among the property owners, the people who are already affluent... DSandra Tuesday #135

The media and Fox News... Blue_Tires Sunday #66

as the still-poor child of working class and poor people The Wandering Harper Sunday #71

What were these nauseating moments? dpibel Sunday #78

the 3 big ones The Wandering Harper Sunday #79

Thanks dpibel Sunday #83

The Convention had *plenty* of serious moments! And it's also a get together, nothing wrong with some glitz. electric_blue68 Monday #93

when contrasted with the growing wealth disparity, The Wandering Harper Monday #94

Well, as someone who became poor, after being middle class for about half her life, and was/is concerned about issues.. electric_blue68 Monday #98

you said you're concerned about these things because you're a Democrat The Wandering Harper Monday #99

Sorry to hear about your local Dems. Our Party can *always* use improvement... electric_blue68 Monday #102

yep, born in '73 The Wandering Harper Monday #104

Ah, good luck w that. And... electric_blue68 Monday #105

This message was self-deleted by its author The Wandering Harper Monday #106

thank you. My mother was about as terrrified on election night 1980 The Wandering Harper Monday #107

third times the charm I hope The Wandering Harper Monday #129

"Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit." B.See Sunday #73

For 10 or 20 years I've been made uncomfortable when... LAS14 Sunday #75

Regarding ditch diggers soandso Monday #88

I wish I were familiar with Mark Rowe. I'm only barely aware of Mark Cuban. LAS14 Monday #120

And since when B.See Monday #89

THIS ☝️ electric_blue68 Monday #92

No way are policies the problem. It's the messaging that's the problem. nt LAS14 Monday #121

Well that's a surprise, because I could've sworn you wrote B.See Monday #123

Flesh that out for me if you can, because I think this is the very opposite of Joe Biden's policies and agenda In It to Win It Monday #91

It's not the policies that are the problem when compared with the GOP. It's the messaging. nt LAS14 Monday #122

Ask Adlai Stevenson. no_hypocrisy Sunday #76

Ever heard getting Democrats to agree on anything is like herding cats? Freethinker65 Sunday #77

Projection Charmin One Sunday #80

RobertReich, for one. elleng Sunday #81

I'll take George Bush SomedayKindaLove Sunday #84

I don't think you missed it Tweedy Monday #87

from the race/religion elitists eShirl Monday #100

It's because you are being gaslit DemonGoddess Monday #101

I think it means... Tommy Carcetti Monday #108

Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid FBaggins Monday #110

Re the border issue In It to Win It Monday #115

You are being gaslit - Elite is everything they don't like about democrats tulipsandroses Monday #117

Many Dem politicians are incredibly rich alarimer Monday #124

Because we have at least high normal IQ's Irish_Dem Monday #126

Why Kamala are you not asking for a recount. When you know Musk and Trump were planing to steal the election. All they h rich7862 Monday #127

Remember limousine liberals? wryter2000 Monday #128