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BComplex

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55. And, when you get right down to it, elections in this country HAVE NEVER been safe, for the most part.

Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:40 PM

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Ballot box stuffing, disenfranchisement, buying votes, throwing people off voter rolls, beating people up....and on and on. From the beginning, we, as a PROUDLY "democratic republic" country, have NEVER made voter safety and protections a major priority, and we are now, obviously, paying the price.

If messing with the elections had been codified with strict penalties for ANYONE breaking those laws, even for the very wealthy ( they are never held to any standard! ) , then we would have avoided where we have landed now.

IT IS TIME, for once and for all, to make voting security and accuracy the #1 priority. Obviously the republicans would vote for it, right? I mean, wasn't all that whining about a "stolen election" what 1/6 was about? There are very few penalties for totally trashing people's rights to vote, and have those votes counted safely and accurately.

Fat chance, but it needs to be said.

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2 letters Requesting VP Harris to Request of Demand Recounts of 2024 Presidential Election [View all] Time for change Sunday OP

K&R Think. Again. Sunday #1

Yep things don't pass the smell test to me st least look at it Tribetime Sunday #85

Dear Madame Vice President BoRaGard Sunday #2

Thanks For Trying SoCalDavidS Sunday #3

That's because the campaign is over. tritsofme Sunday #5

There most certainly is a choice Time for change Sunday #16

Some of us are not presuming there will be valid 2026 MadameButterfly Sunday #9

This!!! colorado_ufo Sunday #20

And, when you get right down to it, elections in this country HAVE NEVER been safe, for the most part. BComplex Sunday #55

Making a law against Citizens United would be a good start. DiamondShark Sunday #65

Amen! BComplex Sunday #71

From this Canadian's perspective, U.S. elections are... AloeVera Sunday #66

I agree at this point. BComplex Sunday #72

"Landslide" Lyndon, amirite Seeking Serenity Sunday #74

We are already covering this in depth in several other threads Abnredleg Sunday #4

Some may not hhave seen the other threads. niyad Sunday #15

Thank you. I, for one, have not seen the other threads h2ebits Sunday #22

Ditto here. KPN Sunday #31

Here's mine: David Boyle Sunday #79

Huh! malaise Sunday #67

Good! Cetacea Monday #97

is there a limit of one thread per topic? garybeck Monday #98

Please, Madame Vice President... pandr32 Sunday #6

The letters will be ignored, as they are CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sunday #7

Assuming There Were Legitimate Concerns SoCalDavidS Sunday #12

Dismissing legitimate concerns as "conspiracy theories" is not reasonable or helpful. Hermit-The-Prog Sunday #21

What is the specific concern and what supports that it is valid? TheKentuckian Sunday #29

Did your read the two letters? Time for change Sunday #37

I did. Our concepts of what evidence is must diverge apparently TheKentuckian Sunday #40

For now, I'll start with the first major point that Spoonamore makes Time for change Sunday #56

No, I don't even agree he has any findings. TheKentuckian Sunday #59

You didn't answer my question Time for change Sunday #63

That is correct. I don't agree with the premise that any findings were made to agree with. TheKentuckian Sunday #81

But there IS evidence, and there ARE specific reasonable suspicions. Foolacious Monday #93

Apparently the specific concern is that Harris lost. Fish700 Sunday #73

I'm really sick of hearing a request for a recount being cmopared to what Trump did Time for change Monday #99

If there was plenty of evidence you would think Harris would be interested in a recount. Fish700 Monday #105

Yes, one would hope so Time for change Monday #106

Democrats concede when they really won, reference; gab13by13 Sunday #8

And Hillary Clinton Time for change Sunday #83

Here are the Experts Who Should Sign the First Letter MrWowWow Sunday #10

Are these people you are suggesting we send the letters to? MadameButterfly Sunday #14

Yes MrWowWow Sunday #18

Thom Hartmann is going to have markodochartaigh Sunday #27

This is very good. Have you sent it to Kamala MadameButterfly Sunday #11

I've Reached Max Cynical Level SoCalDavidS Sunday #24

Spoonamore did a report on Ohio in 2004 Beck23 Sunday #44

Sometimes all you can do is watch. Beck23 Sunday #45

Yes, it was MadameButterfly Sunday #87

Thank you Time for change Sunday #32

Spoonamore has an interesting history. Igel Sunday #13

Spoonamore has spent many years working in computer security Time for change Sunday #23

Not according to a lot of independent experts totodeinhere Sunday #17

"No evidence of votes that disappeared" Qwe Sunday #78

NIH: Denial is a common defense mechanism used to protect oneself from the hardship of upsetting reality. Silent Type Sunday #19

That is sometimes true Time for change Sunday #64

Think we know the truth, some haven't accepted it. Silent Type Sunday #68

I see only two important questions . . . Richard D Sunday #25

They had help Loupe Garoue Sunday #75

With this info there is only one choice for VP Harris - otherwise she'll be complicit. polichick Sunday #26

There is no information. Someone wrote letters with amorphous at most speculation in them. TheKentuckian Sunday #38

With the entire planet on the line, no info is needed to fully examine the vote... polichick Sunday #53

You sound like you think you understand this issue better than election security experts Time for change Sunday #82

Some on the left are embracing election denialism that so many on the right expressed in 2020. LonePirate Sunday #28

And It Worked Out Poorly For Them This Year SoCalDavidS Sunday #33

Just like 4 years ago . . . Ms. Toad Sunday #30

The Alternative SoCalDavidS Sunday #35

Unfortunately, Ms. Toad Monday #91

It's not a theory if you can prove it. Beck23 Sunday #39

The voting machines are not connected to the internet. Ms. Toad Monday #90

The Internet isn't at all required to rig an election Time for change Monday #100

No, we are not doing anything similar to what Trump did. There are 3 things that make what the writers of these letters Time for change Sunday #48

The voting machine conspiracy theories are virtually identical. Ms. Toad Monday #89

false statement stopdiggin Sunday #34

He is a cyber security expert and a Republican!! Beck23 Sunday #41

and apparently evolving into a kook ... stopdiggin Sunday #46

I don't believe anti-science people Beck23 Sunday #47

but will latch on to stopdiggin Sunday #49

This is good. Beck23 Sunday #36

Bullet Ballots DallasNE Sunday #42

wrong. Musk was running a (so called) drawing stopdiggin Sunday #52

I suppose that some of the bullet ballets were do to Musk's operation Time for change Sunday #69

Is there any source for the 600,000 number? King of the sheep Monday #92

Now we're talking LilElf70 Sunday #43

Recounts cost millions of dollars; they aren't free MichMan Sunday #51

Kamala made over a billion LilElf70 Sunday #60

You are totally wrong. The Harris campaign is now in debt. totodeinhere Sunday #61

Post removed Post removed Sunday #76

Get the unlimited funds out of our elections LilElf70 Sunday #77

The whole point of this thread is that Harris might have actually won. Frank D. Lincoln Sunday #80

recount JoeBydun Sunday #50

How fast some posters seem to johnnyfins Sunday #54

Send the Harris campaign a $45,000 check MichMan Sunday #57

From earlier Georgia lawsuit testing equipment Autisminsight Sunday #58

I don't see where he says the machines were indeed hacked Kaleva Sunday #62

He says with regard to the Bullet ballots Time for change Sunday #70

The post I replied to doesn't mention bullet ballots Kaleva Sunday #84

I'm not against trying something like this ... Jeebo Sunday #86

We'll debate and argue about this, but that won't change any facts. lees1975 Monday #88

Were the bullet ballots ONLY in favor of Trump? Foolacious Monday #94

The election is over SpankMe Monday #95

Concessions have no legal status. They can be retracted Time for change Monday #101

There's a time to be right, and there's a time to act strategically SpankMe Monday #104

I strongly disagree that a request for recounts and retraction of her concession would delay a return to Democracy at al Time for change Monday #107

Forget 28, we should be focusing on 26. Initech Monday #102

forget a recount 4catsmom Monday #96

That's a great idea Time for change Monday #103