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81. RobertReich, for one.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:25 PM
Sunday

It may be real.

By R. Reich, FB, Nov. 17, '24:

Friends,
So many of you have asked me how one of the most loathsome people in America was just reelected president that I thought you might find it helpful if I shared with you some personal history. This may also suggest how to root out Trumpism.
In the fall of 2015, I visited Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Missouri, and North Carolina while doing research on the changing nature of work in America.
I spoke with many of the people I had first met when I was secretary of labor in the 1990s. Several brought their friends and grown children to my informal meetings, which became a kind of free-floating focus group spread across states that had once been economic powerhouses but were now economic basket cases.
With the 2016 political primaries looming, I asked my “focus groups” which candidates they found most attractive. At that time, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush were the likely Democratic and Republican candidates, respectively.
Yet almost no one I spoke with mentioned either Clinton or Bush. They talked about Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, oftentimes both, as candidates they’d support for president.
When I asked why, they said Sanders or Trump would “shake things up,” “make the system work again,” “stop the corruption,” or “end the rigging.”
In the 1990s, many of these people (or their parents) had expressed frustration that they weren’t doing better. By 2015, that frustration had morphed into raw anger.
The people I met were furious with their employers, the federal government, and Wall Street. They were irate that they hadn’t been able to save for their retirements, upset that they had no job security, indignant that their children weren’t doing any better than they had at their children’s age, and outraged that houses were unaffordable, schools second-rate, and everything far more expensive.
Several people I talked with had lost jobs, savings, or homes in the financial crisis of 2008 or the Great Recession that followed it. Now most were back in jobs, but the jobs paid no more than they had two decades before in terms of purchasing power.
I heard the term “rigged system” so often that I began asking people what they meant by it. They spoke about the bailout of Wall Street, political payoffs, insider deals, CEO pay, and “crony capitalism.”
These complaints came from people who identified themselves as Republicans, Democrats, and independents. A few had joined the Tea Party; some had briefly been involved in the Occupy movement. Yet most of them didn’t consider themselves political.
They were white, Black, and Latino, from union households and non-union. The only characteristic they had in common was their position on the income ladder: middle class or below. All were struggling.
Many of the conservative Republicans and Tea Partiers I met condemned big corporations getting sweetheart deals from the government because of lobbying and campaign contributions.
A group of farmers in Missouri were livid about the emergence of “factory farms” — owned and run by big corporations — that abused land and cattle, damaged the environment, and ultimately harmed consumers. They claimed that giant food processors were using their monopoly power to squeeze the farmers dry, and the government was doing squat about it because of Big Agriculture’s money and influence.
In Cincinnati, I met with Republican small-business owners who were still hurting from the bursting of the housing bubble and the bailout of Wall Street. “Why didn’t underwater homeowners get any help?” one of them asked rhetorically. She answered her own question: “Because Wall Street has all the power.” Others nodded in agreement.
Whenever I suggested in a public appearance that big Wall Street banks be busted up — “any bank that’s too big to fail is too big, period” — I got loud applause.'>>>

if you support people I hate due to my religious beliefs you are elitist nt msongs Nov 16 #1
From Atlantic to Pacific Ocean, we won 4 states. jimfields33 Nov 16 #10
they know blue states subsidize red states Skittles Nov 16 #2
And now that 32 states are red. The blue states won't be jimfields33 Nov 16 #12
It was invisible. It was sold through churches and MAGA voting lists. bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #3
From the Republican elites that are running the propaganda firehose? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #4
Completely agree. But why are left-leaning people who know better are also saying it? In It to Win It Nov 16 #9
Those that can't see, want to be blind. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 16 #19
Rooted in anti-intellectualism, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 16 #5
That's the best explanation I've seen/heard. Have also wondered about elitism when it's allegorical oracle Nov 16 #23
Or, to put it a little more crudely, soldierant Sunday #74
Interesting original meaning. electric_blue68 Monday #131
Because they play the dumb card and we call them on it. boston bean Nov 16 #6
Elitist used to mean someone (rich) who lived a life so far Tadpole Raisin Nov 16 #7
I completely agree. Republicans now reject science, medicine, education. tulipsandroses Monday #118
Started with Woodrow Wilson. And honestly, before the southern strategy got the parties to flip, haele Nov 16 #8
If you know who the speaker of the house is and what this position does you're in the top 20% of governmental knowledge uponit7771 Nov 16 #11
People smarter than Republicans are. travelingthrulife Nov 16 #13
It is bullshit, spread by some of the MSM talking iidiots. The most elitist is the sociopath, and his hench men. JohnSJ Nov 16 #14
I would agree. What confuses me is people who are on our side also saying it... In It to Win It Nov 16 #15
Are they really on "our" side? That statement is lie. The Democratic Party is NOT shouting "down" to anybody. It is a JohnSJ Nov 16 #20
people "on our side" - TBF Nov 16 #27
David Axelrod, Chris Murphy, a few here on DU post that Democrats do this In It to Win It Nov 16 #35
That is 2 well known people and one low count poster - TBF Nov 16 #37
Ok, I think we're on the same page. Just making sure I wasn't crazy. In It to Win It Nov 16 #41
I think that idea has been there for many years Meowmee Nov 16 #16
Yeah, I've been saying that too about the so-called liberal elite schools In It to Win It Nov 16 #17
The ivy league schools are more like legacy media -- simply have been around a long time. They allegorical oracle Nov 16 #25
They've not only been around a long time, TBF Nov 16 #38
Coastal elites, limousine liberals, celebrity endorsements MaryMagdaline Nov 16 #18
Half the country has less than $400. For an emergency questionseverything Monday #109
They make good money and are highly skilled. MaryMagdaline Monday #114
Elitism is the new term for... S/V Loner Nov 16 #21
DON'T OVERTHINK IT. JEWS! ANTI-SEMITISM. usonian Nov 16 #22
You're asking this question in the wrong space Sympthsical Nov 16 #24
So where is it you hang out when you're not here? Is that where you're recommending the OP go? Hekate Nov 16 #32
I read everywhere Sympthsical Nov 16 #39
It's A Line RobinA Sunday #68
I know two people who voted Trump and they give up when I try to talk politics with them. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #130
If you were, like, supercool dpibel Sunday #86
As a 'coastal elite', Abolishinist Monday #90
Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 16 #40
But I have talked with people who leaned toward Trump. Regular ass everyday folks In It to Win It Sunday #55
I'll give you one major example that I've heard a lot of Sympthsical Monday #119
You ARE being gaslit. That's the point. The message comes from republicans who Scrivener7 Nov 16 #26
This. nt TBF Nov 16 #28
It comes from MAGAGOP. About the time I slogged my way thru a graduate degree, I realized... Hekate Nov 16 #29
"Elites" is yet another euphemism... appmanga Nov 16 #30
Sounds about right. "Critical thinking" is a baaaad thing. Hekate Nov 16 #34
Good point. Get rid of the word "elite," and concentrate on the divide between... LAS14 Sunday #45
I'd agree except undereducated people intheflow Sunday #46
Why isn't it taught in K-12 public schools? MichMan Sunday #54
Mostly Because we teach to standardized tests. intheflow Sunday #61
Are you referring exclusively to red states? MichMan Sunday #62
No, it's been national form for some time. intheflow Sunday #63
But then, and this cannot be denied, you have a not insignificant number of educators, administrators, and/or curricula Seeking Serenity Sunday #82
A big problem also, tho, intheflow Monday #113
Aww, thank you. Seeking Serenity Monday #116
I totally agree. Education at every level must be the best that it can be. LAS14 Sunday #69
Hmmmm... respectfully... electric_blue68 Monday #95
Never said they shouldn't be celebrated. intheflow Monday #111
Biden has argued multiple times wryter2000 Sunday #85
Because with our current media, it's easier for them to call Ds elitist than Rs racist. W_HAMILTON Nov 16 #31
Think about the difference between GDP and income EdmondDantes_ Nov 16 #33
Student loans were never supposed to leave you staggering under debt that would make a loan-shark blush Hekate Nov 16 #36
I don't disagree, but then again I had 20,000 forgiven EdmondDantes_ Sunday #70
Are the goalposts being moved in this discussion? There's a *lot* to be said about lack of college funding... Hekate Sunday #72
Higher education used to be nearly free alarimer Monday #125
It's just a variation of limousine liberal that was used out of the 1970s and 80s... Self Esteem Nov 16 #42
"I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians." LAS14 Nov 16 #43
Well, how about focusing on the present, and adding some historical background electric_blue68 Monday #132
One example where the Rs have a point. The term Latinx was mostly pushed by Anglo progressives including kelly1mm Nov 16 #44
Literally nobody outside academe uses that term. yardwork Sunday #49
Not any more. Look at DU posts from 2021-2023. You can use the search function above. Is DU kelly1mm Sunday #56
I feel properly shamed and abashed. yardwork Sunday #57
Misinformation/disinformation needs to be called out. Plus words mean things like 'literally'. kelly1mm Sunday #58
You might want to tell Sen. Warren MichMan Sunday #60
It's nothing new. VP Agnew referred to 'An effete core of impudent snobs' Ping Tung Sunday #47
You are being gaslit and it comes from Republican propaganda. yardwork Sunday #48
Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been Kashkakat v.2.0 Sunday #50
Probably from Frank Luntz... kirby Sunday #51
At one point I wondered this too, however... ThePartyThatListens Sunday #52
Could you be more specific about (i quote you) electric_blue68 Monday #96
It's still on right now, so turn to Morning Joe ThePartyThatListens Monday #112
I'll see if I can find it bc I finally went to sleep electric_blue68 Monday #133
MAGAts Sneederbunk Sunday #53
From republican talking points and their upmanship. republianmushroom Sunday #59
White males must have no identity maxrandb Sunday #64
Do you want an honest answer from someone who is in the bottom 80% and who has lived around them a lot? DSandra Sunday #65
That also applies to the Republican Party. The most powerful of them are the professional class... and so on. In It to Win It Sunday #67
Later in life I haven't had much money but I get a few special items from Trader's & Whole Foods electric_blue68 Monday #97
I'm talking about the people who have power... DSandra Tuesday #134
I understand that, and that applies to the Republican Party as well. In It to Win It Tuesday #136
As a lifelong Democrat DemonGoddess Monday #103
But much of the Democratic Party power is among the property owners, the people who are already affluent... DSandra Tuesday #135
The media and Fox News... Blue_Tires Sunday #66
as the still-poor child of working class and poor people The Wandering Harper Sunday #71
What were these nauseating moments? dpibel Sunday #78
the 3 big ones The Wandering Harper Sunday #79
Thanks dpibel Sunday #83
The Convention had *plenty* of serious moments! And it's also a get together, nothing wrong with some glitz. electric_blue68 Monday #93
when contrasted with the growing wealth disparity, The Wandering Harper Monday #94
Well, as someone who became poor, after being middle class for about half her life, and was/is concerned about issues.. electric_blue68 Monday #98
you said you're concerned about these things because you're a Democrat The Wandering Harper Monday #99
Sorry to hear about your local Dems. Our Party can *always* use improvement... electric_blue68 Monday #102
yep, born in '73 The Wandering Harper Monday #104
Ah, good luck w that. And... electric_blue68 Monday #105
This message was self-deleted by its author The Wandering Harper Monday #106
thank you. My mother was about as terrrified on election night 1980 The Wandering Harper Monday #107
third times the charm I hope The Wandering Harper Monday #129
"Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit." B.See Sunday #73
For 10 or 20 years I've been made uncomfortable when... LAS14 Sunday #75
Regarding ditch diggers soandso Monday #88
I wish I were familiar with Mark Rowe. I'm only barely aware of Mark Cuban. LAS14 Monday #120
And since when B.See Monday #89
THIS ☝️ electric_blue68 Monday #92
No way are policies the problem. It's the messaging that's the problem. nt LAS14 Monday #121
Well that's a surprise, because I could've sworn you wrote B.See Monday #123
Flesh that out for me if you can, because I think this is the very opposite of Joe Biden's policies and agenda In It to Win It Monday #91
It's not the policies that are the problem when compared with the GOP. It's the messaging. nt LAS14 Monday #122
Ask Adlai Stevenson. no_hypocrisy Sunday #76
Ever heard getting Democrats to agree on anything is like herding cats? Freethinker65 Sunday #77
Projection Charmin One Sunday #80
RobertReich, for one. elleng Sunday #81
I'll take George Bush SomedayKindaLove Sunday #84
I don't think you missed it Tweedy Monday #87
from the race/religion elitists eShirl Monday #100
It's because you are being gaslit DemonGoddess Monday #101
I think it means... Tommy Carcetti Monday #108
Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid FBaggins Monday #110
Re the border issue In It to Win It Monday #115
You are being gaslit - Elite is everything they don't like about democrats tulipsandroses Monday #117
Many Dem politicians are incredibly rich alarimer Monday #124
Because we have at least high normal IQ's Irish_Dem Monday #126
Why Kamala are you not asking for a recount. When you know Musk and Trump were planing to steal the election. All they h rich7862 Monday #127
Remember limousine liberals? wryter2000 Monday #128
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