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110. Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:31 AM

Nov 2024

They can read a poll as well as anyone else can.

Don’t confuse electing to avoid damaging issues with the issues not existing.

Case in point - though not really a “woke” issue. Harris did everything possible to avoid “the wall” issue. Even going so far as becoming almost hawkish on building more border wall.

But it would be ridiculous to claim that the immigration issue was manufactured by a bunch of RW adds because you didn’t see anyone running on “open borders”

You didn’t see anyone run on it because they knew they were losing on the issue - but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an issue… just that we wish it wasn’t.

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Serious qestion: I feel like I'm being gaslit. Where does the perception of "Democratic elitism" come from? [View all] In It to Win It Nov 2024 OP

if you support people I hate due to my religious beliefs you are elitist nt msongs Nov 2024 #1

From Atlantic to Pacific Ocean, we won 4 states. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #10

they know blue states subsidize red states Skittles Nov 2024 #2

And now that 32 states are red. The blue states won't be jimfields33 Nov 2024 #12

It was invisible. It was sold through churches and MAGA voting lists. bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #3

From the Republican elites that are running the propaganda firehose? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2024 #4

Completely agree. But why are left-leaning people who know better are also saying it? In It to Win It Nov 2024 #9

Those that can't see, want to be blind. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2024 #19

Rooted in anti-intellectualism, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 2024 #5

That's the best explanation I've seen/heard. Have also wondered about elitism when it's allegorical oracle Nov 2024 #23

Or, to put it a little more crudely, soldierant Nov 2024 #74

Interesting original meaning. electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #131

Because they play the dumb card and we call them on it. boston bean Nov 2024 #6

Elitist used to mean someone (rich) who lived a life so far Tadpole Raisin Nov 2024 #7

I completely agree. Republicans now reject science, medicine, education. tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #118

Started with Woodrow Wilson. And honestly, before the southern strategy got the parties to flip, haele Nov 2024 #8

If you know who the speaker of the house is and what this position does you're in the top 20% of governmental knowledge uponit7771 Nov 2024 #11

People smarter than Republicans are. travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #13

It is bullshit, spread by some of the MSM talking iidiots. The most elitist is the sociopath, and his hench men. JohnSJ Nov 2024 #14

I would agree. What confuses me is people who are on our side also saying it... In It to Win It Nov 2024 #15

Are they really on "our" side? That statement is lie. The Democratic Party is NOT shouting "down" to anybody. It is a JohnSJ Nov 2024 #20

people "on our side" - TBF Nov 2024 #27

David Axelrod, Chris Murphy, a few here on DU post that Democrats do this In It to Win It Nov 2024 #35

That is 2 well known people and one low count poster - TBF Nov 2024 #37

Ok, I think we're on the same page. Just making sure I wasn't crazy. In It to Win It Nov 2024 #41

I think that idea has been there for many years Meowmee Nov 2024 #16

Yeah, I've been saying that too about the so-called liberal elite schools In It to Win It Nov 2024 #17

The ivy league schools are more like legacy media -- simply have been around a long time. They allegorical oracle Nov 2024 #25

They've not only been around a long time, TBF Nov 2024 #38

Coastal elites, limousine liberals, celebrity endorsements MaryMagdaline Nov 2024 #18

Half the country has less than $400. For an emergency questionseverything Nov 2024 #109

They make good money and are highly skilled. MaryMagdaline Nov 2024 #114

Elitism is the new term for... S/V Loner Nov 2024 #21

DON'T OVERTHINK IT. JEWS! ANTI-SEMITISM. usonian Nov 2024 #22

You're asking this question in the wrong space Sympthsical Nov 2024 #24

So where is it you hang out when you're not here? Is that where you're recommending the OP go? Hekate Nov 2024 #32

I read everywhere Sympthsical Nov 2024 #39

It's A Line RobinA Nov 2024 #68

I know two people who voted Trump and they give up when I try to talk politics with them. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #130

If you were, like, supercool dpibel Nov 2024 #86

As a 'coastal elite', Abolishinist Nov 2024 #90

Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 2024 #40

But I have talked with people who leaned toward Trump. Regular ass everyday folks In It to Win It Nov 2024 #55

I'll give you one major example that I've heard a lot of Sympthsical Nov 2024 #119

You ARE being gaslit. That's the point. The message comes from republicans who Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #26

This. nt TBF Nov 2024 #28

It comes from MAGAGOP. About the time I slogged my way thru a graduate degree, I realized... Hekate Nov 2024 #29

"Elites" is yet another euphemism... appmanga Nov 2024 #30

Sounds about right. "Critical thinking" is a baaaad thing. Hekate Nov 2024 #34

Good point. Get rid of the word "elite," and concentrate on the divide between... LAS14 Nov 2024 #45

I'd agree except undereducated people intheflow Nov 2024 #46

Why isn't it taught in K-12 public schools? MichMan Nov 2024 #54

Mostly Because we teach to standardized tests. intheflow Nov 2024 #61

Are you referring exclusively to red states? MichMan Nov 2024 #62

No, it's been national form for some time. intheflow Nov 2024 #63

But then, and this cannot be denied, you have a not insignificant number of educators, administrators, and/or curricula Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #82

A big problem also, tho, intheflow Nov 2024 #113

Aww, thank you. Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #116

I totally agree. Education at every level must be the best that it can be. LAS14 Nov 2024 #69

Hmmmm... respectfully... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #95

Never said they shouldn't be celebrated. intheflow Nov 2024 #111

Biden has argued multiple times wryter2000 Nov 2024 #85

Because with our current media, it's easier for them to call Ds elitist than Rs racist. W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #31

Think about the difference between GDP and income EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #33

Student loans were never supposed to leave you staggering under debt that would make a loan-shark blush Hekate Nov 2024 #36

I don't disagree, but then again I had 20,000 forgiven EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #70

Are the goalposts being moved in this discussion? There's a *lot* to be said about lack of college funding... Hekate Nov 2024 #72

Higher education used to be nearly free alarimer Nov 2024 #125

It's just a variation of limousine liberal that was used out of the 1970s and 80s... Self Esteem Nov 2024 #42

"I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians." LAS14 Nov 2024 #43

Well, how about focusing on the present, and adding some historical background electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #132

One example where the Rs have a point. The term Latinx was mostly pushed by Anglo progressives including kelly1mm Nov 2024 #44

Literally nobody outside academe uses that term. yardwork Nov 2024 #49

Not any more. Look at DU posts from 2021-2023. You can use the search function above. Is DU kelly1mm Nov 2024 #56

I feel properly shamed and abashed. yardwork Nov 2024 #57

Misinformation/disinformation needs to be called out. Plus words mean things like 'literally'. kelly1mm Nov 2024 #58

You might want to tell Sen. Warren MichMan Nov 2024 #60

It's nothing new. VP Agnew referred to 'An effete core of impudent snobs' Ping Tung Nov 2024 #47

You are being gaslit and it comes from Republican propaganda. yardwork Nov 2024 #48

Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2024 #50

Probably from Frank Luntz... kirby Nov 2024 #51

At one point I wondered this too, however... ThePartyThatListens Nov 2024 #52

Could you be more specific about (i quote you) electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #96

It's still on right now, so turn to Morning Joe ThePartyThatListens Nov 2024 #112

I'll see if I can find it bc I finally went to sleep electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #133

MAGAts Sneederbunk Nov 2024 #53

From republican talking points and their upmanship. republianmushroom Nov 2024 #59

White males must have no identity maxrandb Nov 2024 #64

Do you want an honest answer from someone who is in the bottom 80% and who has lived around them a lot? DSandra Nov 2024 #65

That also applies to the Republican Party. The most powerful of them are the professional class... and so on. In It to Win It Nov 2024 #67

Later in life I haven't had much money but I get a few special items from Trader's & Whole Foods electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #97

I'm talking about the people who have power... DSandra Nov 19 #134

I understand that, and that applies to the Republican Party as well. In It to Win It Nov 19 #136

As a lifelong Democrat DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #103

But much of the Democratic Party power is among the property owners, the people who are already affluent... DSandra Nov 19 #135

The media and Fox News... Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #66

as the still-poor child of working class and poor people The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #71

What were these nauseating moments? dpibel Nov 2024 #78

the 3 big ones The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #79

Thanks dpibel Nov 2024 #83

The Convention had *plenty* of serious moments! And it's also a get together, nothing wrong with some glitz. electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #93

when contrasted with the growing wealth disparity, The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #94

Well, as someone who became poor, after being middle class for about half her life, and was/is concerned about issues.. electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #98

you said you're concerned about these things because you're a Democrat The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #99

Sorry to hear about your local Dems. Our Party can *always* use improvement... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #102

yep, born in '73 The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #104

Ah, good luck w that. And... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #106

thank you. My mother was about as terrrified on election night 1980 The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #107

third times the charm I hope The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #129

"Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit." B.See Nov 2024 #73

For 10 or 20 years I've been made uncomfortable when... LAS14 Nov 2024 #75

Regarding ditch diggers soandso Nov 2024 #88

I wish I were familiar with Mark Rowe. I'm only barely aware of Mark Cuban. LAS14 Nov 2024 #120

And since when B.See Nov 2024 #89

THIS ☝️ electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #92

No way are policies the problem. It's the messaging that's the problem. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #121

Well that's a surprise, because I could've sworn you wrote B.See Nov 2024 #123

Flesh that out for me if you can, because I think this is the very opposite of Joe Biden's policies and agenda In It to Win It Nov 2024 #91

It's not the policies that are the problem when compared with the GOP. It's the messaging. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #122

Ask Adlai Stevenson. no_hypocrisy Nov 2024 #76

Ever heard getting Democrats to agree on anything is like herding cats? Freethinker65 Nov 2024 #77

Projection Charmin One Nov 2024 #80

RobertReich, for one. elleng Nov 2024 #81

I'll take George Bush SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #84

I don't think you missed it Tweedy Nov 2024 #87

from the race/religion elitists eShirl Nov 2024 #100

It's because you are being gaslit DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #101

I think it means... Tommy Carcetti Nov 2024 #108

Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid FBaggins Nov 2024 #110

Re the border issue In It to Win It Nov 2024 #115

You are being gaslit - Elite is everything they don't like about democrats tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #117

Many Dem politicians are incredibly rich alarimer Nov 2024 #124

Because we have at least high normal IQ's Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #126

Why Kamala are you not asking for a recount. When you know Musk and Trump were planing to steal the election. All they h rich7862 Nov 2024 #127

Remember limousine liberals? wryter2000 Nov 2024 #128