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10. I see evidence and I have questions

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:03 PM

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About Those Bullet Ballots [View all] gab13by13 Nov 18 OP

While I would be fine with a hand count audit, your last sentence is incorrect. bearsfootball516 Nov 18 #1

Yesterday NJCher Nov 18 #2

Not down ballots, you mean bullet ballots. gab13by13 Nov 18 #4

yes NJCher Nov 18 #7

The heck is a bullet ballot? onetexan Tuesday #162

A bullet ballot is when the voter votes in only one election and not the rest of the ballot. TomSlick Tuesday #182

Thanks! onetexan Wednesday #203

didn't he have those numbers in his duty to warn letter? Native Nov 18 #28

I also heard about ballots that voted for Trump and then straight Dems. Weird. OMGWTF Nov 18 #33

Yes. Very improbable. Beck23 Tuesday #178

7% of a state's total is a lot more than 2. gab13by13 Nov 18 #5

Yes it is bearsfootball516 Nov 18 #8

I think what I read was it only happened at that high percentage in swing states Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #15

Right - it is the statistical anomaly that is raising questions. RandomNumbers Nov 18 #128

Except it didn't happen at a higher percentage in swing states. onenote Tuesday #160

I agree. And he answered his own question. Are people that stupid? Ray Bruns Nov 18 #17

It happens a LOT, it is called undervoting. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #54

But not at a 5% and 7% rate. Beck23 Tuesday #179

Especially Trumpers JMCKUSICK Nov 18 #87

Of course they exist. That's not the point. soldierant Nov 18 #118

Only that's all BS soandso Nov 18 #120

What is your background with software manipulation resulting in data errors? Forget it...... Hope22 Nov 18 #124

I'm not into arguing soandso Nov 18 #131

I listened to this on Thom's show. He said Kamala was the only one who could request a recount rainy Nov 18 #3

Provide evidence of claims for your question Sympthsical Nov 18 #6

These claims are made based on available statistics Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #16

What available statistics? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #102

how about you show your work NJCher Nov 18 #19

A hand recount should be welcomed by all. rubbersole Nov 18 #20

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Nov 18 #48

I agree JoeBydun Nov 18 #64

I agree. Do the hand count!!! bikes and bunnies Nov 18 #90

This post should be a thread of its own. Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #34

It is either true or it is not true Cirsium Nov 18 #37

It's not true. onenote Nov 18 #70

Thanks Cirsium Nov 18 #108

It is manipulation Zeitghost Nov 18 #121

Desperation. TheKentuckian Nov 18 #143

Agreed Cirsium Nov 18 #144

Stephen Spoonamore has been doing this for awhile. nbsmom Nov 18 #158

It's not true SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #91

Very good nt Cirsium Nov 18 #130

How about providing the data to show that it is true? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #103

Sure Cirsium Nov 18 #109

The difference keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #46

The Governor of North Carolina was term limited. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #63

My bad, I was thinking that was keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #134

NC governor was not getting "ousted" unc70 Nov 18 #67

The governor in North Carolina was not unpopular and the repub opponent was a all out disaster onenote Nov 18 #111

I keep hearing about irregularities SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #112

You keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #135

So the polls being accurate is proof of the conspiracy? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #197

Kinda funny you expect a poster on the web to " show your work " but the government doesn't have to questionseverything Nov 18 #50

At this point, I'd like the guy the poster is repeating to show his work Sympthsical Nov 18 #58

I actually think the letter signed by buell and experts is more convincing questionseverything Nov 18 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Nov 18 #104

I showed my work SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #113

The government(s) Zeitghost Nov 18 #122

Numbers were posted, true but they were not counted by human beings questionseverything Nov 18 #125

We oversea them through State and Local Officials Zeitghost Nov 18 #133

To be clear my comments are not about the bullet ballot claim at all questionseverything Nov 18 #142

The work poll workers do is important but they can't oversee computer software questionseverything Tuesday #200

We have laws in place for that. DiamondShark Tuesday #202

In 2020 the Maga raised hell over "irregularities" and "anomalies" Walleye Nov 18 #9

The big difference is they hand counted Georgia questionseverything Nov 18 #57

Correct. They went with zero evidence and turned the country and election process on its head. hadEnuf Nov 18 #60

I see evidence and I have questions proud patriot Nov 18 #10

You are not nuts, this should be a hand count because it is so close and Bluethroughu Nov 18 #11

But it isn't actually that close in any of the states and recounts cost millions of dollars. MichMan Tuesday #164

I think my DEMOCRACY is worth more than the price of a recount. Bluethroughu Tuesday #176

The numbers don't support what you are claiming MichMan Tuesday #186

Asking serious questions is good malaise Nov 18 #12

You are grieving, not dumb Tweedy Nov 18 #13

The solution is easy....count the paper ballots. Hope22 Nov 18 #29

Have you withdrawn $45,000 from your retirement account and contributed towards a recount? MichMan Nov 18 #38

They keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #49

The money is gone. The ballots were counted. Harris lost. tritsofme Nov 18 #55

They keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #62

In states largely run by Democrats...Sometimes an election just doesn't turn out like you hope. tritsofme Nov 18 #78

Where did they recount. Hope22 Nov 18 #80

None of the races are close enough. They don't just do them for fun. tritsofme Nov 18 #86

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #114

No but I did get 10 texts a day along with dozens of calls a day to send money to VP Harris over the last six months or Hope22 Nov 18 #77

The bullet ballots exist Tweedy Nov 18 #123

How is it being determined how many "bullet ballots" were cast. This still sounds like bullshit. onenote Nov 18 #14

There you go, ruining a perfectly good CT with facts and logic... Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #32

I know. I had the same problem in 2020 when the trumpers were making unsubstantiated claims. onenote Nov 18 #43

I have my own theory: Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #51

Here's what I don't understand. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 18 #119

The implicit claim is that the number of split-ticket ballots must 0. Igel Nov 18 #149

Not zero Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #157

hum.. what about all the folks who didn't vote for President? DooverBeliever Tuesday #169

The claim is that there were 350,000 bullet votes for Trump in NC onenote Tuesday #170

I missed that. DooverBeliever Tuesday #171

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #192

So, where did those Arizona and Nevada percentage numbers come from? MineralMan Nov 18 #18

From the publicly available Arizona and Nevada websites. onenote Nov 18 #53

Yes. I saw your earlier post. MineralMan Nov 18 #68

Thanks for the clarification. It would be nice to hear from those accepting Sponamore's claims. onenote Nov 18 #71

I get 2.2% for Arizona Sympthsical Nov 18 #73

Here's how I got my result. If my math is off, show me how and I'll correct it. onenote Nov 18 #79

You're right, I'm wrong Sympthsical Nov 18 #83

Yep. And it's not as if you have to some super genius to do so. onenote Nov 18 #92

I don't think it's quite that simple... Rikki Tikki Tumbo Tuesday #184

He uses the term "undervote" to mean the same thing as a bullet ballot onenote Tuesday #188

States already compare paper ballot counts SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #189

And that's fine. But don't make up a bogus reason for doing it onenote Tuesday #196

Oh, I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #198

In post #85 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #88

I can't replicate any of it Sympthsical Nov 18 #93

It can't be replicated SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #96

That's a good question. Why don't they show us the numbers so we know they are real? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #106

That's not what Occam's Razor says SCantiGOP Nov 18 #21

Stupid. Straw Man Nov 18 #22

Many voters vote only part of the ballot. MineralMan Nov 18 #26

Did the guest mention SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #23

If there were any good sources for those numbers, MineralMan Nov 18 #24

Looking at actual numbers tells a different story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #85

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #185

I have 28,438 for the "Other" category SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #187

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #190

Like I said SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #193

I found my mistake and deleted questionseverything Tuesday #194

If you were adding the first row SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #195

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #191

Keep posting, gab! Kid Berwyn Nov 18 #25

It feels like a coup because we lost HereForTheParty Nov 18 #41

No, it's because the GOP steals elections. Kid Berwyn Nov 18 #59

I'm sure Biden & Kamala are aware of the Bullet Ballots numbers KS Toronado Nov 18 #27

You have misquoted Mr. Occam: Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #30

Look gab, I 100% wish what you, and these others are sayin is true. The simple fact is all we want here is PROOF bluestarone Nov 18 #31

No Comparison Speaks2 Nov 18 #35

What supports this hypothesis that there was cheating. HereForTheParty Nov 18 #44

I know this stinks keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #36

Good points. Welcome to DU! Doodley Nov 18 #66

Was keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #140

And how smart would it be of these devious hackers to not add votes in races that would help Trump? EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #39

Hand counts will be coming Viz Nov 18 #40

It's not a hand recount MichMan Nov 18 #116

Yes I agree.... Viz Nov 18 #42

How are they linked to fake ballots? HereForTheParty Nov 18 #132

K&R Think. Again. Nov 18 #45

A friend of mine was a poll watcher in Grand Rapids... Orange Buffoon Nov 18 #47

A pole watcher isn't directly watching how people are voting, right oldmanlynn Nov 18 #56

They are not allowed to encroach on the voter's space. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #65

I think she came to that conclusion judging by the minimal time they spent Orange Buffoon Nov 18 #84

If Trump and the Republicans did cheat in this way oldmanlynn Nov 18 #52

Agreed. Should be investigated. I remain coninced that no way did trump win every swing state legitimately. brush Nov 18 #69

Why should it raise eyebrows? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #115

It's not that complicated. The battleground states are where the deciding Electoral College votes are. brush Nov 18 #129

A hand count is not unreasonable wryter2000 Nov 18 #72

Who is going to pay for it? MichMan Nov 18 #117

I don't understand what you think this hand count is supposed to do. Dr. Strange Nov 18 #74

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #94

Bullet ballots aren't illegal FakeNoose Nov 18 #75

Thank-you! Harris MUST take this seriously - everything is on the line! polichick Nov 18 #76

On your side all the way! ananda Nov 18 #81

the problem with your argument Oliver Bolliver Butt Nov 18 #82

Some numbers soandso Nov 18 #89

I see different numbers on Daily Kos article MadameButterfly Nov 18 #139

I would go with Decision Desk soandso Nov 18 #141

B T W Mr.Bee Nov 18 #95

It's ridiculous SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #97

I brought that up soandso Nov 18 #100

It's because we changed to mail Sympthsical Nov 18 #107

Are the permitted to start processing them prior to election day? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #110

I don't trust anything that MAY be associated with the con man LilElf70 Nov 18 #98

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 18 #99

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #163

Data Scientist's Shocking Call for Election Recount Raises Scary Questions! w/ Stephen Spoonamore ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #168

Thom Hartmann Live - Spoonamore interview - 11/18/2024 ultralite001 Nov 18 #101

In Nevada in 2020, the total votes for House Reps was 96.5% of the votes for President; in 2024, 96.1% muriel_volestrangler Nov 18 #105

Kinda undercut your argument with that last sentence... krkaufman Nov 18 #126

K&R SheltieLover Nov 18 #127

Building computer hardware is an entirely Progressive dog Nov 18 #136

He has the data Beck23 Tuesday #180

Yup anf I also Progressive dog Tuesday #183

bullet ballots are bs - they fucking made it too rig to big alright - the biggest rig of all time. Nimble_Idea Nov 18 #137

As an election judge in a county that went 82% trump... in 2020 hurple Nov 18 #138

Critical JR11 Nov 18 #145

Whats the harm of doing a hand recount in the swing states. Dump got his, why can't Kamala have hers? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #146

It costs millions of dollars for recounts is why. Hand recounts are even more expensive MichMan Nov 18 #148

To save our democracy! Like its not worth that!? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #150

You need to call the Harris campaign and tell them you are paying for all of it n/t MichMan Nov 18 #153

Why such hate MichMan? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #154

Because recounts are very expensive and at best only change a few hundred or so votes MichMan Nov 18 #155

Great reason to hate Clouds Passing Nov 18 #156

It is reality, not hate MichMan Tuesday #165

Informational Warfare JR11 Nov 18 #147

I'm all for a recount ... Jeebo Nov 18 #151

I agree I took a coding class years ago and this computer tabulation stinks kimbutgar Nov 18 #152

Time to apply for a tabulator job. DiamondShark Tuesday #167

Do we know these numbers are correct? garybeck Tuesday #159

He has a team of people counting. Beck23 Tuesday #177

If it sounds like a duck... Chadarius Tuesday #161

Look at it this way, folks: If there is a whiff of suspicion about the results and we Dems do nothing, what do you think LaMouffette Tuesday #166

It was dirty end of story. Botany Tuesday #172

If Kamala lets us down I don't know what to say. sellitman Tuesday #173

The only way to believe this is normal Beck23 Tuesday #174

I understand the concern and share it given some of Trump's comments. But I think bullet ballots are easily explained Pacifist Patriot Tuesday #175

I've built computer hardware too. progressoid Tuesday #181

Pennsylvania Department of State Begins Risk-Limiting Audit of 2024 General Election ultralite001 Tuesday #201