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104. There's a time to be right, and there's a time to act strategically

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:31 PM

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Strategy is called for in this case. For Kamala to retract her concession would be a disaster for Democrats. The chaos of a retracted concession and a demanded recount of 7 states would delay a return to democracy significantly longer than if we acted tactically with an eye on '26 and '28.

We can blow it for a decade or more by demanding a recount now, or we can save '26 and '28 by eating a little near-term shit and putting our noses to the grindstone and winning in the next 4 years.

I get it and agree that something may be wrong with the count in several battleground states. But I'm merely stating an opinion here that sometimes you might have to throw a little near-term democracy under the bus to save big and real democracy for the long term.

We're smarter than Republicans. We should be able to adapt and pull this off.

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2 letters Requesting VP Harris to Request of Demand Recounts of 2024 Presidential Election [View all] Time for change Sunday OP

K&R Think. Again. Sunday #1

Yep things don't pass the smell test to me st least look at it Tribetime Sunday #85

Dear Madame Vice President BoRaGard Sunday #2

Thanks For Trying SoCalDavidS Sunday #3

That's because the campaign is over. tritsofme Sunday #5

There most certainly is a choice Time for change Sunday #16

Some of us are not presuming there will be valid 2026 MadameButterfly Sunday #9

This!!! colorado_ufo Sunday #20

And, when you get right down to it, elections in this country HAVE NEVER been safe, for the most part. BComplex Sunday #55

Making a law against Citizens United would be a good start. DiamondShark Sunday #65

Amen! BComplex Sunday #71

From this Canadian's perspective, U.S. elections are... AloeVera Sunday #66

I agree at this point. BComplex Sunday #72

"Landslide" Lyndon, amirite Seeking Serenity Sunday #74

We are already covering this in depth in several other threads Abnredleg Sunday #4

Some may not hhave seen the other threads. niyad Sunday #15

Thank you. I, for one, have not seen the other threads h2ebits Sunday #22

Ditto here. KPN Sunday #31

Here's mine: David Boyle Sunday #79

Huh! malaise Sunday #67

Good! Cetacea Monday #97

is there a limit of one thread per topic? garybeck Monday #98

Please, Madame Vice President... pandr32 Sunday #6

The letters will be ignored, as they are CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sunday #7

Assuming There Were Legitimate Concerns SoCalDavidS Sunday #12

Dismissing legitimate concerns as "conspiracy theories" is not reasonable or helpful. Hermit-The-Prog Sunday #21

What is the specific concern and what supports that it is valid? TheKentuckian Sunday #29

Did your read the two letters? Time for change Sunday #37

I did. Our concepts of what evidence is must diverge apparently TheKentuckian Sunday #40

For now, I'll start with the first major point that Spoonamore makes Time for change Sunday #56

No, I don't even agree he has any findings. TheKentuckian Sunday #59

You didn't answer my question Time for change Sunday #63

That is correct. I don't agree with the premise that any findings were made to agree with. TheKentuckian Sunday #81

But there IS evidence, and there ARE specific reasonable suspicions. Foolacious Monday #93

Apparently the specific concern is that Harris lost. Fish700 Sunday #73

I'm really sick of hearing a request for a recount being cmopared to what Trump did Time for change Monday #99

If there was plenty of evidence you would think Harris would be interested in a recount. Fish700 Monday #105

Yes, one would hope so Time for change Monday #106

Democrats concede when they really won, reference; gab13by13 Sunday #8

And Hillary Clinton Time for change Sunday #83

Here are the Experts Who Should Sign the First Letter MrWowWow Sunday #10

Are these people you are suggesting we send the letters to? MadameButterfly Sunday #14

Yes MrWowWow Sunday #18

Thom Hartmann is going to have markodochartaigh Sunday #27

This is very good. Have you sent it to Kamala MadameButterfly Sunday #11

I've Reached Max Cynical Level SoCalDavidS Sunday #24

Spoonamore did a report on Ohio in 2004 Beck23 Sunday #44

Sometimes all you can do is watch. Beck23 Sunday #45

Yes, it was MadameButterfly Sunday #87

Thank you Time for change Sunday #32

Spoonamore has an interesting history. Igel Sunday #13

Spoonamore has spent many years working in computer security Time for change Sunday #23

Not according to a lot of independent experts totodeinhere Sunday #17

"No evidence of votes that disappeared" Qwe Sunday #78

NIH: Denial is a common defense mechanism used to protect oneself from the hardship of upsetting reality. Silent Type Sunday #19

That is sometimes true Time for change Sunday #64

Think we know the truth, some haven't accepted it. Silent Type Sunday #68

I see only two important questions . . . Richard D Sunday #25

They had help Loupe Garoue Sunday #75

With this info there is only one choice for VP Harris - otherwise she'll be complicit. polichick Sunday #26

There is no information. Someone wrote letters with amorphous at most speculation in them. TheKentuckian Sunday #38

With the entire planet on the line, no info is needed to fully examine the vote... polichick Sunday #53

You sound like you think you understand this issue better than election security experts Time for change Sunday #82

Some on the left are embracing election denialism that so many on the right expressed in 2020. LonePirate Sunday #28

And It Worked Out Poorly For Them This Year SoCalDavidS Sunday #33

Just like 4 years ago . . . Ms. Toad Sunday #30

The Alternative SoCalDavidS Sunday #35

Unfortunately, Ms. Toad Monday #91

It's not a theory if you can prove it. Beck23 Sunday #39

The voting machines are not connected to the internet. Ms. Toad Monday #90

The Internet isn't at all required to rig an election Time for change Monday #100

No, we are not doing anything similar to what Trump did. There are 3 things that make what the writers of these letters Time for change Sunday #48

The voting machine conspiracy theories are virtually identical. Ms. Toad Monday #89

false statement stopdiggin Sunday #34

He is a cyber security expert and a Republican!! Beck23 Sunday #41

and apparently evolving into a kook ... stopdiggin Sunday #46

I don't believe anti-science people Beck23 Sunday #47

but will latch on to stopdiggin Sunday #49

This is good. Beck23 Sunday #36

Bullet Ballots DallasNE Sunday #42

wrong. Musk was running a (so called) drawing stopdiggin Sunday #52

I suppose that some of the bullet ballets were do to Musk's operation Time for change Sunday #69

Is there any source for the 600,000 number? King of the sheep Monday #92

Now we're talking LilElf70 Sunday #43

Recounts cost millions of dollars; they aren't free MichMan Sunday #51

Kamala made over a billion LilElf70 Sunday #60

You are totally wrong. The Harris campaign is now in debt. totodeinhere Sunday #61

Post removed Post removed Sunday #76

Get the unlimited funds out of our elections LilElf70 Sunday #77

The whole point of this thread is that Harris might have actually won. Frank D. Lincoln Sunday #80

recount JoeBydun Sunday #50

How fast some posters seem to johnnyfins Sunday #54

Send the Harris campaign a $45,000 check MichMan Sunday #57

From earlier Georgia lawsuit testing equipment Autisminsight Sunday #58

I don't see where he says the machines were indeed hacked Kaleva Sunday #62

He says with regard to the Bullet ballots Time for change Sunday #70

The post I replied to doesn't mention bullet ballots Kaleva Sunday #84

I'm not against trying something like this ... Jeebo Sunday #86

We'll debate and argue about this, but that won't change any facts. lees1975 Monday #88

Were the bullet ballots ONLY in favor of Trump? Foolacious Monday #94

The election is over SpankMe Monday #95

Concessions have no legal status. They can be retracted Time for change Monday #101

There's a time to be right, and there's a time to act strategically SpankMe Monday #104

I strongly disagree that a request for recounts and retraction of her concession would delay a return to Democracy at al Time for change Monday #107

Forget 28, we should be focusing on 26. Initech Monday #102

forget a recount 4catsmom Monday #96

That's a great idea Time for change Monday #103