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Sympthsical

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107. It's because we changed to mail

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:38 PM

Nov 18

16 million people voting, most of them by mail. First you have to wait for them to all come in. A ballot can arrive up to 7 days after election day and be counted. Then they have to be sorted through. And there can be so many errors that involve curing. Like no signatures, using the wrong envelopes, etc. etc.

You want people to be more participant in elections, but it's created this massive headache when it comes to counting, because tabulation, verifying, ruling out duplicates, etc. is an extremely thorough and tedious process they go through. And statute gives the state a long time to do this. I think the curing deadline is like Dec. 1st and other stuff is 30 days after election.

So they're not exactly being prodded to get it done quickly.

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About Those Bullet Ballots [View all] gab13by13 Nov 18 OP

While I would be fine with a hand count audit, your last sentence is incorrect. bearsfootball516 Nov 18 #1

Yesterday NJCher Nov 18 #2

Not down ballots, you mean bullet ballots. gab13by13 Nov 18 #4

yes NJCher Nov 18 #7

The heck is a bullet ballot? onetexan Tuesday #162

A bullet ballot is when the voter votes in only one election and not the rest of the ballot. TomSlick Tuesday #182

Thanks! onetexan Wednesday #203

didn't he have those numbers in his duty to warn letter? Native Nov 18 #28

I also heard about ballots that voted for Trump and then straight Dems. Weird. OMGWTF Nov 18 #33

Yes. Very improbable. Beck23 Tuesday #178

7% of a state's total is a lot more than 2. gab13by13 Nov 18 #5

Yes it is bearsfootball516 Nov 18 #8

I think what I read was it only happened at that high percentage in swing states Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #15

Right - it is the statistical anomaly that is raising questions. RandomNumbers Nov 18 #128

Except it didn't happen at a higher percentage in swing states. onenote Tuesday #160

I agree. And he answered his own question. Are people that stupid? Ray Bruns Nov 18 #17

It happens a LOT, it is called undervoting. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #54

But not at a 5% and 7% rate. Beck23 Tuesday #179

Especially Trumpers JMCKUSICK Nov 18 #87

Of course they exist. That's not the point. soldierant Nov 18 #118

Only that's all BS soandso Nov 18 #120

What is your background with software manipulation resulting in data errors? Forget it...... Hope22 Nov 18 #124

I'm not into arguing soandso Nov 18 #131

I listened to this on Thom's show. He said Kamala was the only one who could request a recount rainy Nov 18 #3

Provide evidence of claims for your question Sympthsical Nov 18 #6

These claims are made based on available statistics Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #16

What available statistics? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #102

how about you show your work NJCher Nov 18 #19

A hand recount should be welcomed by all. rubbersole Nov 18 #20

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Nov 18 #48

I agree JoeBydun Nov 18 #64

I agree. Do the hand count!!! bikes and bunnies Nov 18 #90

This post should be a thread of its own. Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #34

It is either true or it is not true Cirsium Nov 18 #37

It's not true. onenote Nov 18 #70

Thanks Cirsium Nov 18 #108

It is manipulation Zeitghost Nov 18 #121

Desperation. TheKentuckian Nov 18 #143

Agreed Cirsium Nov 18 #144

Stephen Spoonamore has been doing this for awhile. nbsmom Nov 18 #158

It's not true SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #91

Very good nt Cirsium Nov 18 #130

How about providing the data to show that it is true? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #103

Sure Cirsium Nov 18 #109

The difference keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #46

The Governor of North Carolina was term limited. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #63

My bad, I was thinking that was keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #134

NC governor was not getting "ousted" unc70 Nov 18 #67

The governor in North Carolina was not unpopular and the repub opponent was a all out disaster onenote Nov 18 #111

I keep hearing about irregularities SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #112

You keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #135

So the polls being accurate is proof of the conspiracy? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #197

Kinda funny you expect a poster on the web to " show your work " but the government doesn't have to questionseverything Nov 18 #50

At this point, I'd like the guy the poster is repeating to show his work Sympthsical Nov 18 #58

I actually think the letter signed by buell and experts is more convincing questionseverything Nov 18 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Nov 18 #104

I showed my work SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #113

The government(s) Zeitghost Nov 18 #122

Numbers were posted, true but they were not counted by human beings questionseverything Nov 18 #125

We oversea them through State and Local Officials Zeitghost Nov 18 #133

To be clear my comments are not about the bullet ballot claim at all questionseverything Nov 18 #142

The work poll workers do is important but they can't oversee computer software questionseverything Tuesday #200

We have laws in place for that. DiamondShark Tuesday #202

In 2020 the Maga raised hell over "irregularities" and "anomalies" Walleye Nov 18 #9

The big difference is they hand counted Georgia questionseverything Nov 18 #57

Correct. They went with zero evidence and turned the country and election process on its head. hadEnuf Nov 18 #60

I see evidence and I have questions proud patriot Nov 18 #10

You are not nuts, this should be a hand count because it is so close and Bluethroughu Nov 18 #11

But it isn't actually that close in any of the states and recounts cost millions of dollars. MichMan Tuesday #164

I think my DEMOCRACY is worth more than the price of a recount. Bluethroughu Tuesday #176

The numbers don't support what you are claiming MichMan Tuesday #186

Asking serious questions is good malaise Nov 18 #12

You are grieving, not dumb Tweedy Nov 18 #13

The solution is easy....count the paper ballots. Hope22 Nov 18 #29

Have you withdrawn $45,000 from your retirement account and contributed towards a recount? MichMan Nov 18 #38

They keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #49

The money is gone. The ballots were counted. Harris lost. tritsofme Nov 18 #55

They keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #62

In states largely run by Democrats...Sometimes an election just doesn't turn out like you hope. tritsofme Nov 18 #78

Where did they recount. Hope22 Nov 18 #80

None of the races are close enough. They don't just do them for fun. tritsofme Nov 18 #86

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #114

No but I did get 10 texts a day along with dozens of calls a day to send money to VP Harris over the last six months or Hope22 Nov 18 #77

The bullet ballots exist Tweedy Nov 18 #123

How is it being determined how many "bullet ballots" were cast. This still sounds like bullshit. onenote Nov 18 #14

There you go, ruining a perfectly good CT with facts and logic... Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #32

I know. I had the same problem in 2020 when the trumpers were making unsubstantiated claims. onenote Nov 18 #43

I have my own theory: Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #51

Here's what I don't understand. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 18 #119

The implicit claim is that the number of split-ticket ballots must 0. Igel Nov 18 #149

Not zero Loupe Garoue Nov 18 #157

hum.. what about all the folks who didn't vote for President? DooverBeliever Tuesday #169

The claim is that there were 350,000 bullet votes for Trump in NC onenote Tuesday #170

I missed that. DooverBeliever Tuesday #171

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #192

So, where did those Arizona and Nevada percentage numbers come from? MineralMan Nov 18 #18

From the publicly available Arizona and Nevada websites. onenote Nov 18 #53

Yes. I saw your earlier post. MineralMan Nov 18 #68

Thanks for the clarification. It would be nice to hear from those accepting Sponamore's claims. onenote Nov 18 #71

I get 2.2% for Arizona Sympthsical Nov 18 #73

Here's how I got my result. If my math is off, show me how and I'll correct it. onenote Nov 18 #79

You're right, I'm wrong Sympthsical Nov 18 #83

Yep. And it's not as if you have to some super genius to do so. onenote Nov 18 #92

I don't think it's quite that simple... Rikki Tikki Tumbo Tuesday #184

He uses the term "undervote" to mean the same thing as a bullet ballot onenote Tuesday #188

States already compare paper ballot counts SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #189

And that's fine. But don't make up a bogus reason for doing it onenote Tuesday #196

Oh, I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #198

In post #85 SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #88

I can't replicate any of it Sympthsical Nov 18 #93

It can't be replicated SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #96

That's a good question. Why don't they show us the numbers so we know they are real? Wiz Imp Nov 18 #106

That's not what Occam's Razor says SCantiGOP Nov 18 #21

Stupid. Straw Man Nov 18 #22

Many voters vote only part of the ballot. MineralMan Nov 18 #26

Did the guest mention SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #23

If there were any good sources for those numbers, MineralMan Nov 18 #24

Looking at actual numbers tells a different story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #85

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #185

I have 28,438 for the "Other" category SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #187

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #190

Like I said SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #193

I found my mistake and deleted questionseverything Tuesday #194

If you were adding the first row SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #195

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #191

Keep posting, gab! Kid Berwyn Nov 18 #25

It feels like a coup because we lost HereForTheParty Nov 18 #41

No, it's because the GOP steals elections. Kid Berwyn Nov 18 #59

I'm sure Biden & Kamala are aware of the Bullet Ballots numbers KS Toronado Nov 18 #27

You have misquoted Mr. Occam: Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #30

Look gab, I 100% wish what you, and these others are sayin is true. The simple fact is all we want here is PROOF bluestarone Nov 18 #31

No Comparison Speaks2 Nov 18 #35

What supports this hypothesis that there was cheating. HereForTheParty Nov 18 #44

I know this stinks keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #36

Good points. Welcome to DU! Doodley Nov 18 #66

Was keepthemhonestO Nov 18 #140

And how smart would it be of these devious hackers to not add votes in races that would help Trump? EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #39

Hand counts will be coming Viz Nov 18 #40

It's not a hand recount MichMan Nov 18 #116

Yes I agree.... Viz Nov 18 #42

How are they linked to fake ballots? HereForTheParty Nov 18 #132

K&R Think. Again. Nov 18 #45

A friend of mine was a poll watcher in Grand Rapids... Orange Buffoon Nov 18 #47

A pole watcher isn't directly watching how people are voting, right oldmanlynn Nov 18 #56

They are not allowed to encroach on the voter's space. yellowdogintexas Nov 18 #65

I think she came to that conclusion judging by the minimal time they spent Orange Buffoon Nov 18 #84

If Trump and the Republicans did cheat in this way oldmanlynn Nov 18 #52

Agreed. Should be investigated. I remain coninced that no way did trump win every swing state legitimately. brush Nov 18 #69

Why should it raise eyebrows? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #115

It's not that complicated. The battleground states are where the deciding Electoral College votes are. brush Nov 18 #129

A hand count is not unreasonable wryter2000 Nov 18 #72

Who is going to pay for it? MichMan Nov 18 #117

I don't understand what you think this hand count is supposed to do. Dr. Strange Nov 18 #74

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #94

Bullet ballots aren't illegal FakeNoose Nov 18 #75

Thank-you! Harris MUST take this seriously - everything is on the line! polichick Nov 18 #76

On your side all the way! ananda Nov 18 #81

the problem with your argument Oliver Bolliver Butt Nov 18 #82

Some numbers soandso Nov 18 #89

I see different numbers on Daily Kos article MadameButterfly Nov 18 #139

I would go with Decision Desk soandso Nov 18 #141

B T W Mr.Bee Nov 18 #95

It's ridiculous SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #97

I brought that up soandso Nov 18 #100

It's because we changed to mail Sympthsical Nov 18 #107

Are the permitted to start processing them prior to election day? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 18 #110

I don't trust anything that MAY be associated with the con man LilElf70 Nov 18 #98

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 18 #99

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #163

Data Scientist's Shocking Call for Election Recount Raises Scary Questions! w/ Stephen Spoonamore ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #168

Thom Hartmann Live - Spoonamore interview - 11/18/2024 ultralite001 Nov 18 #101

In Nevada in 2020, the total votes for House Reps was 96.5% of the votes for President; in 2024, 96.1% muriel_volestrangler Nov 18 #105

Kinda undercut your argument with that last sentence... krkaufman Nov 18 #126

K&R SheltieLover Nov 18 #127

Building computer hardware is an entirely Progressive dog Nov 18 #136

He has the data Beck23 Tuesday #180

Yup anf I also Progressive dog Tuesday #183

bullet ballots are bs - they fucking made it too rig to big alright - the biggest rig of all time. Nimble_Idea Nov 18 #137

As an election judge in a county that went 82% trump... in 2020 hurple Nov 18 #138

Critical JR11 Nov 18 #145

Whats the harm of doing a hand recount in the swing states. Dump got his, why can't Kamala have hers? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #146

It costs millions of dollars for recounts is why. Hand recounts are even more expensive MichMan Nov 18 #148

To save our democracy! Like its not worth that!? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #150

You need to call the Harris campaign and tell them you are paying for all of it n/t MichMan Nov 18 #153

Why such hate MichMan? Clouds Passing Nov 18 #154

Because recounts are very expensive and at best only change a few hundred or so votes MichMan Nov 18 #155

Great reason to hate Clouds Passing Nov 18 #156

It is reality, not hate MichMan Tuesday #165

Informational Warfare JR11 Nov 18 #147

I'm all for a recount ... Jeebo Nov 18 #151

I agree I took a coding class years ago and this computer tabulation stinks kimbutgar Nov 18 #152

Time to apply for a tabulator job. DiamondShark Tuesday #167

Do we know these numbers are correct? garybeck Tuesday #159

He has a team of people counting. Beck23 Tuesday #177

If it sounds like a duck... Chadarius Tuesday #161

Look at it this way, folks: If there is a whiff of suspicion about the results and we Dems do nothing, what do you think LaMouffette Tuesday #166

It was dirty end of story. Botany Tuesday #172

If Kamala lets us down I don't know what to say. sellitman Tuesday #173

The only way to believe this is normal Beck23 Tuesday #174

I understand the concern and share it given some of Trump's comments. But I think bullet ballots are easily explained Pacifist Patriot Tuesday #175

I've built computer hardware too. progressoid Tuesday #181

Pennsylvania Department of State Begins Risk-Limiting Audit of 2024 General Election ultralite001 Tuesday #201