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soandso

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77. It's not the right
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 2024

It's the left who can't fathom the outcome, just as the Trumpers couldn't in 2020. Then there are people like Thom Hartman, who people give credibility, questioning the results.

There's nothing wrong with questioning but making assertions without proof is useless. What I looked up was easy. Claims about software with malicious code and Starlink counting votes are something else. I think the Starlink stuff was quickly debunked and explained how it was (barely) used but the software stuff requires experts. The Trump campaign made just about all the same assertions and ran into the same problems when it came to software because it's so hard to prove and requires access which they didn't have, though I think they tried. Ironically, some Democrats going down this road about fraud has sparked Republicans saying the millions of fewer votes for Harris over what Biden got, in 2020, proves their own claims that the 81 million contained a bunch of fraudulent votes (which they never proved, either).

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Was just about to ask you in the other thread to make this an OP Sympthsical Nov 2024 #1
I hope it adds a bit of clarity soandso Nov 2024 #2
What does that even mean? Define %age difference, I don't know what you're talking about. bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #3
The percentage difference between soandso Nov 2024 #5
It's the percentage of votes cast in the presidential race in excess of the votes cast in the Senate race onenote Nov 2024 #7
And what this reveals soandso Nov 2024 #25
Yep. There are lots of low information voters who simply choose not to vote in a race they probably don't know onenote Nov 2024 #63
I'm good with that soandso Nov 2024 #76
Better than someone going down the ballot and randomly picking names based on whose name they like more. MichMan Nov 2024 #106
Thanks, but don't expect 2024 "election deniers" to accept facts. Silent Type Nov 2024 #4
The scare quotes should be dropped. Igel Nov 2024 #48
So you mean the spoon guy is full of crap? Who could have guessed? tritsofme Nov 2024 #6
IIRC, he was claiming software was hacked soandso Nov 2024 #8
He has made lots of baseless claims, I'll give you that. tritsofme Nov 2024 #10
It's up to the people peddling this crap to show back up HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #11
This guy? JanMichael Nov 2024 #75
thank you for posting this. Takket Nov 2024 #9
My pleasure soandso Nov 2024 #19
Not the same ERW Nov 2024 #83
first post huh? funny all these low post count numbers trying to whip up DU into an election conspiracy frenzy Takket Nov 2024 #93
Your analysis is just meaningless numbers... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #12
If a bullet ballot SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #15
How about the House votes? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #51
It doesn't matter SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #56
Well, the Senate race in PA was important too SnoopDog Nov 2024 #68
You don't seem to understand what a "bullet ballot" is. onenote Nov 2024 #78
Right...bad guys would think to themselves... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #80
So why didn't they steal the Senate races in Arizona and Wisconsin too? tritsofme Nov 2024 #86
The guy pushing the conspiracy theory that the race was stolen is using that definition EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #87
Spoonamore provided the definition: onenote Nov 2024 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Truth_Serum Nov 2024 #111
The actual calculations for NC do not show a 303,039 vote difference. onenote Nov 2024 #112
You're right Truth_Serum Nov 2024 #113
By definition, a so called "bullet ballot" does not include... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #79
See above post 80... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #81
Your post 80 is exactly right, which means... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #94
Concerning serious reflection and analysis.... reACTIONary Nov 2024 #96
Thank you for the article! n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #103
Yeah, how about those soandso Nov 2024 #61
lol, right...These are actual numbers, unlike the Spoon guy's make-believe numbers. tritsofme Nov 2024 #16
lol soandso Nov 2024 #21
Are you a mathematician? An election specialist? Statistician? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #53
The numbers I posted are those posted by the states soandso Nov 2024 #66
I'm not, but let me ask you this... do you think the DNC employs such people? Takket Nov 2024 #84
I don't know.... Does the Democractic Party have any leadership? SnoopDog Nov 2024 #90
Yeah, it's crazy that some swing states showed as much as 5% and 7% of "President Only" ballots.. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #13
The numbers provided in the OP SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #14
Oddly enough... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #26
But Spoonamore says it's 7% in Arizona SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #35
Lake is the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #42
I'm not sure why you think that matters in any way? Not everyone votes a straight ticket. tritsofme Nov 2024 #45
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #47
maybe Kari Lake should be the one asking for a recount then LOL Takket Nov 2024 #88
All this means is that a bunch of Trump voters also voted for Gallego. tritsofme Nov 2024 #38
All that shows is that people split tickets soandso Nov 2024 #41
And neither do you. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #43
I never made any claim that necessitated access to ballots soandso Nov 2024 #49
This just demonstrates split tickets Abnredleg Nov 2024 #44
States prevent split ballots? Igel Nov 2024 #50
lol...wow. There's no evidence to support the claim, but here's some guy who called into a radio show. tritsofme Nov 2024 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #27
There is certainly a group of folks who are eager to be scammed tritsofme Nov 2024 #29
Feel free to check my math in post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 2024 #31
Your math in post #26 has nothing to do with the claim that there was an inordinate number of bullet ballots. onenote Nov 2024 #85
But remember: " His number estimates aren't important" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #23
How about instead of relying on somebody else soandso Nov 2024 #24
See post #26 Think. Again. Nov 2024 #33
Actual numbers just aren't backing the claim. paleotn Nov 2024 #65
And after viewing the interview again... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #69
There's a dozen ways to slice and dice the data, but no smoking gun so far. paleotn Nov 2024 #72
Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 - ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 2024 #110
How are we supposed to avoid the emotions of the election results if we can't claim the results are fraudulent? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #17
It's this OP that is wrong, they used the numbers from both Dem and red ballots together. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #32
And as it's been pointed out to you repeatedly Zeitghost Nov 2024 #115
The bullet ballots are the reason we won so many close Gov. Senate and House races Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #20
Exactly right soandso Nov 2024 #22
I'd say over 9% is a big excess of bullet ballots (see post # 26). Think. Again. Nov 2024 #30
It would be SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #39
I saw your post and addressed it soandso Nov 2024 #46
You do realize that our lack of the actual ballots... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #52
You don't need to see the ballots SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #58
Explain what those numbers mean please? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #60
Sure SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #116
Agreed Zeitghost Nov 2024 #122
Absolutely! SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #123
What position? soandso Nov 2024 #64
close races don't need huge numbers ERW Nov 2024 #89
True enough soandso Nov 2024 #97
Hi, you used numbers from both Dem and red ballots... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #28
Show your work soandso Nov 2024 #34
See post # 26 Think. Again. Nov 2024 #36
No you didn't Zeitghost Nov 2024 #100
Nope SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #37
Lake was the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #40
So what? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2024 #54
And many republicans didn't like her and voted for the democratic jimfields33 Nov 2024 #55
And then how did the green Senate candidate end up with over 50k more than stein? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #59
Many voters think the environment is priority jimfields33 Nov 2024 #62
So you think some trump voters also voted for the green senate candidate? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #70
People splitting tickets differently than you think they should have is not evidence of fraud. tritsofme Nov 2024 #71
Actually, I may be heading that way... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #74
No. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #92
Because there will have been people who voted Trump for president, and Quintana (Green) for senator muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #104
I don't think that's the claim at all. Igel Nov 2024 #57
So (please correct me if I'm wrong)... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #67
Yes wanderer54 Nov 2024 #105
Ding Ding Ding AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2024 #108
Good job Cirsium Nov 2024 #73
It's not the right soandso Nov 2024 #77
yes, understood Cirsium Nov 2024 #82
I don't know why they would would soandso Nov 2024 #95
Well, that is depressing Cirsium Nov 2024 #101
What's depressing? soandso Nov 2024 #102
What is depressing? Cirsium Nov 2024 #114
Au contraire soandso Nov 2024 #118
Well, it took a while Cirsium Nov 2024 #119
Paper ballot judge, here Maeve Nov 2024 #98
Jeez soandso Nov 2024 #99
"You only have to vote on what you want to vote on, just don't vote for more than one when it says only one" Maeve Nov 2024 #107
At least he looked it up. soandso Nov 2024 #117
I totally see California being 3% Sympthsical Nov 2024 #109
Bookmarked, thanks for doing the work. scipan Nov 2024 #120
YW soandso Nov 2024 #121
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