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TomWilm

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260. I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ...

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:53 PM

Nov 19

... and yes, the votes better not be tampered with.

I did a lot of counting and research of the election system in the past, and that made me quite relaxed about it in the end.

I trust the counting of the votes, and I trust the reporting and collection and the result even!

These elections are rotten to the core - though not the counting process, but EVERYTHING else about them.

- The billionaires right to buy all the ads.
- The billions wasted to get people out to vote.
- The defective two party monopoly and internal echo chambers.
- The missing research and press coverage, since media is controlled ...
... please keep this list growing, and focus on some of THOSE problems.

The counting of votes is the very least problem, and for me it looks like the ONLY part that is actually working. So for my view is such a limited focus a waste of time - and yes, fully based on "extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" in very small circles..............

But thanks for your reply!

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Rigged? Computer Security Experts Urge Harris To Demand Hand Recount [View all] ScubaSteve Nov 16 OP

I'm totally in on the Hand Jive Recount thingy. Count them up. BoRaGard Nov 16 #1

He will be on the Thomm Hartman program Monday Ferryboat Nov 16 #62

I saw this posted on Bluesky, but can't confirm. Do you have anything? Native Nov 16 #128

On Friday markodochartaigh Nov 17 #247

Thanks! Native Nov 17 #248

I've been saying from Nov. 6 that no way trump won every swing state.... brush Nov 16 #191

Didn't she say... XarmyGal Nov 16 #166

I don't recall her ever pledging to chase around conspiracy theories to placate election deniers? tritsofme Nov 16 #171

Worried? OhioBack2Blue Nov 16 #187

lol tritsofme Nov 16 #190

well why not? azureblue Nov 16 #216

Spoonamore's onto something. sop Nov 16 #2

What About These Subject Matter Experts to Endorse a Hand Recount? MrWowWow Nov 16 #64

Especially if Starlink was involved. colorado_ufo Nov 16 #215

It should be done. Liberal In Texas Nov 16 #3

EXACTLY! Lunabell Nov 16 #4

Greg Palast thinks that almost 3 million provisional ballots were dumped. TheRickles Nov 16 #5

Since Trump won by 2,705,700 more popular votes, a provisional ballot challenge might work. ancianita Nov 16 #37

Still counting OhioBack2Blue Nov 16 #189

I'm aware. We have until Dec 11. Thing is, when will count challenges be filed in courts? ancianita Nov 16 #201

Duh! malaise Nov 16 #6

NC dweller Nov 16 #7

Yeah, that is kind of suspicious. Think. Again. Nov 16 #32

How many votes did Biden get there? Surely it wasn't 356,844 - 0. TheRickles Nov 16 #48

It's an elementary school level of cheating. Evidence it and jail everyone who touched the illegitimate ballots. jaxexpat Nov 16 #68

If proven, might be ironically uncomfortable for VP Harris to certify trump lostnfound Nov 16 #77

If there is proof of enough ballot fraud the electors "faithfulness" will be a point of great focus. jaxexpat Nov 16 #96

He will be osteopath6 Nov 16 #109

All that cry baby has done his entire life is lie & cheat at everything. KS Toronado Nov 16 #142

BS Doodley Nov 16 #155

I respectfully disagree. RandomNumbers Nov 16 #158

Innocent question... waltzy Nov 16 #219

Why do you ask? Welcome to DU GP6971 Nov 16 #220

Answers RandomNumbers Nov 17 #246

No one gets to pin the legitimization of "election denial" on the Democrats when... Karasu Nov 16 #164

Counterpoint ... krkaufman Nov 16 #210

WHAT !!! HUAJIAO Nov 16 #79

See my post dweller Nov 16 #88

Yes. This is really suspicious here in NC ms liberty Nov 16 #144

Compared to other state-wide races, Trump got the 4th most votes for a Republican muriel_volestrangler Nov 16 #211

Quite possible HarryM Nov 17 #225

But she conceded Patton French Nov 16 #8

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Yes, and it's up to The People to find the evidence of fraud. ancianita Nov 16 #39

Elections are not decided because a candidate concedes or whopis01 Nov 16 #44

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Concessions are not binding if there is fraud. OMGWTF Nov 16 #129

It doesn't matter as she would've conceeded on the basis that she had in fact lost and that the votes were legitimate Galraedia Nov 16 #198

That really is suspicious, but since she conceded so quickly I'm sure we're screwed. Vinca Nov 16 #9

Does the consession prevent a recount? MadameButterfly Nov 16 #13

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+1 ancianita Nov 16 #40

I would hope not, but I'm not optimistic. It's all moved into "kumbaya" mode from what I can gather. Vinca Nov 16 #107

No concession don't prevent a recount standingtall Nov 16 #147

Haven't there bern past elections.. Think. Again. Nov 16 #34

Gore rescinded his against Bush Blue_Roses Nov 17 #237

I thought so... Think. Again. Nov 17 #240

I'm sure all of this Blue_Roses Nov 17 #241

I can't access the article at Daily Kos Kaleva Nov 16 #10

I can't either. I went directly to DK and could find nothing. Maggiemayhem Nov 16 #17

I couldn't access it either MadameButterfly Nov 16 #19

This is odd dss Nov 16 #127

Yeah, getting a giant Access Denied (403) warning Babajida Nov 16 #160

No one can - DK took it down. soldierant Nov 16 #170

Brad blog interviewed the guy today on his radio show questionseverything Nov 16 #182

Is this the story you are looking for? Typewitch Nov 17 #224

Thanks! Apparently Daily Kos zapped the article Kaleva Nov 17 #239

I Concur On The Recount. GB_RN Nov 16 #11

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Post removed Post removed Nov 16 #49

I can't tell you Mr. Evil Nov 16 #86

Really? Tweedy Nov 16 #145

They sent the votes to Tennessee in 2004 Beck23 Nov 16 #63

Yep, SmarTech, who was working for the Bush campaign... CaptainTruth Nov 16 #73

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Concession is NOT legally binding...Reread what happened during the Bush v Gore. Al Gore conceded & then The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 16 #45

We are going to get this right osteopath6 Nov 16 #115

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That is the serious concern here Babajida Nov 16 #163

Is there something we can do to make this happen MadameButterfly Nov 16 #14

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I need to get access to this article before I do anything so I know what I'm talking about MadameButterfly Nov 16 #20

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It says the info came from X Loupe Garoue Nov 16 #47

Brad blog has a great article about all these concerns and interviews one election specialist questionseverything Nov 16 #183

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Elias is saying there was no fraud johnnyfins Nov 16 #81

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I believe our best bet is to be as loud as possible... Think. Again. Nov 16 #36

Why would contacting those people make them believe in baseless conspiracy theories like this? tritsofme Nov 16 #159

Access denied wildflowergardener Nov 16 #18

I don't want to sound too conspiratorial here MadameButterfly Nov 16 #26

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How can I get access to that MadameButterfly Nov 16 #35

Here is the OP about the "letter"... Think. Again. Nov 16 #38

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Might be taken down for a good reason creeksneakers2 Nov 16 #151

I wish they would do recounts. 2naSalit Nov 16 #25

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NC has paper ballots Abnredleg Nov 16 #41

Try this Link MrWowWow Nov 16 #42

I found the Duty to Warn letter on Substack, and I copied it in full in a subsequent post here Native Nov 16 #50

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Is Marc Alias looking into this? Blue Owl Nov 16 #43

Here it is on Substack: Native Nov 16 #46

Thank you! Think. Again. Nov 16 #54

I also completely forgot that Musk's "lottery" was only available to swing state, registered voters. Native Nov 16 #98

Yes, hopefully attorneys are looking into all that too. Think. Again. Nov 16 #113

excellent point NJCher Nov 16 #140

I updatedmy post. I inadvertently included the wrong link. Native Nov 16 #120

Thanks again! Think. Again. Nov 16 #124

Buell was a guest on brad cast and the brad blog has an excellent article today about his concerns questionseverything Nov 16 #181

May I ask you for a link? Or more info on the "Brad Cast" so I can find a link? Think. Again. Nov 16 #184

Google bradblog , I can't post a link on my phone but questionseverything Nov 16 #186

Thanks! I'll search now... Think. Again. Nov 16 #188

Here it is! Thanks! Think. Again. Nov 16 #192

No, thank you for everything you are doing, trying to raise awareness questionseverything Nov 16 #194

Yes, WE are ultimately responsible for our Democracy (no matter what our elected officials say about that). Think. Again. Nov 16 #196

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ---- ConcernedCitizen1776 Nov 19 #252

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What form should these protests take? MadameButterfly Nov 16 #71

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Thanks you!!!! MadameButterfly Nov 16 #67

I updated my post. I inadvertently included the wrong link to the duty to warn letter. Native Nov 16 #121

These Election Security Experts Need to Endorse the Hand Recount MrWowWow Nov 16 #70

Thank you Helicoptercatmom Nov 16 #97

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I accidentally pasted the wrong link. Here's the correct one Native Nov 16 #123

Thank you, Native... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 16 #209

It was also saved on archive.is (not by me) soldierant Nov 17 #245

Also can't access, but here is some other info masmdu Nov 16 #53

Also, very strange that this is not available on masmdu Nov 16 #55

How can there be 350,000 "bullet ballots" in North Carolina? Only 88,511 fewer votes for Gov. than Pres. onenote Nov 16 #56

That is my thought as well. n/t John1956PA Nov 16 #94

I keep looking at NCSBE dweller Nov 16 #104

Canvassing in NC ends Friday, November 15th Abnredleg Nov 16 #133

Bold of you to ask for evidence Sympthsical Nov 16 #117

So how many of us have called the White House? Marc Elias? The governor of NC? The governors of the swing states? BComplex Nov 16 #57

I agree Beck23 Nov 16 #59

Wow. Can you find any documentation of that online? Native Nov 16 #100

Stephen Spoonamore is a grifter. DiamondShark Nov 17 #227

Interesting. Native Nov 17 #231

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When you spend as much time as I have... DiamondShark Nov 17 #233

Mango Mussolini filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results of the 2020 election. Why doesn't Kamala do the same??? LaMouffette Nov 16 #66

Because Harris isn't a grifter. DiamondShark Nov 17 #228

If a recount shows there was fraud defacto7 Nov 16 #69

Wasn't aware of the bullet ballots - they don't make sense. I would fully support a hand count. n/t iluvtennis Nov 16 #72

As reluctant as I am to conspiracies, something doesn't add up especially after reading this underpants Nov 16 #74

Please fix your source or delete this post. AllyCat Nov 16 #75

see post #46 Native Nov 16 #102

Maybe you should delete your post asm128 Nov 16 #131

Actually, I did read it. The link was there with where the poster AllyCat Nov 16 #135

ban hammer Kali999 Nov 16 #137

The social media influencers are grifting. DiamondShark Nov 17 #229

The technical report came out a few days ago Beck23 Nov 16 #76

Could you please share the technical report? masmdu Nov 16 #83

There are others here who can understand some or all of that "IT lingo". Any reason you aren't sharing the link? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 16 #108

I will summarize it... DiamondShark Nov 17 #230

K&R SheltieLover Nov 16 #78

Start with the states that he was screaming fraud thinkingagain Nov 16 #80

This certainly seems suspicious but... Wiz Imp Nov 16 #82

Trump was targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Nov 16 #116

Keep in mind that this fraud, if true, johnnyfins Nov 16 #84

If this were a primary The Madcap Nov 16 #87

You would have to be really stupid to stack 300,000 votes for only Trump and not expected to.. yourout Nov 16 #89

There are posts on Reddit where people are looking at New York and finding a lot of the same thing Native Nov 16 #110

Now I'm suspicious and want to know more. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 16 #90

This isn't about "conspiracy"! CaptainTruth Nov 16 #91

Republicans haven't won an honest Presidential Election or been the legacy of a dishonest one since Ike. Botany Nov 16 #92

Makes more sense to me than him bringing in new voters Tribetime Nov 16 #95

Read this last night, and it certainly merits further consideration CanonRay Nov 16 #99

"Access Denied" on all links about Soonamore on Daily Kos karin_sj Nov 16 #101

Trying to correct the typo on my post... karin_sj Nov 16 #103

see my post, #46. i copied the letter. Native Nov 16 #112

This might be of help. DiamondShark Nov 17 #234

Bullet Ballots? Mr.Bee Nov 16 #105

Not rigged osteopath6 Nov 16 #111

per NBC, experts found 3 dozen US voting sysyems connected to the Internet. Native Nov 16 #114

Pisswig and Mikey's dweller Nov 16 #118

Article from Jan 2020, but still potentially relevant Mike 03 Nov 16 #134

& this other oldie but goodie - Connell being suicided before testifying about voter fraud and also mentions Spoonamore Native Nov 16 #136

That is auspicious. LiberalFighter Nov 16 #119

This looks like credible evidence that the election was hacked. If somebody told you before the election that Trump Doodley Nov 16 #125

a reply to a post on Bluesky says Spoonamore will be on the Thom Hartmann Show this Monday Native Nov 16 #126

This is not far fetched... judy Nov 16 #130

Computer experts? Progressive dog Nov 16 #132

Programmable electronics can be programmed. But, Hermit-The-Prog Nov 16 #138

Musk just warned us on Twitter that there will be consequences for those who pushed foreign interference hoaxes Native Nov 16 #141

Sure Leon dweller Nov 16 #146

It won't be Merrick Wednesdays Nov 16 #199

My Dad voted for Harris and no one else on the ballot. It's not uncommon. Wanderlust988 Nov 16 #143

You are right, it's not uncommon. But this election was uncommonly higher than all past elections. Native Nov 16 #150

And, if not mistaken, uncommonly higher specifically in the swing states Babajida Nov 16 #169

The actual numbers don't support the the "bullet ballot" claim. onenote Nov 16 #179

Do you have evidence that it's not uncommon? The author of the letter states that it is usually Doodley Nov 16 #157

the letter discussed this Native Nov 16 #173

Maybe we should pay these experts big money BootinUp Nov 16 #148

Keep this at the top. nt returnee Nov 16 #149

I'm all in favor of audits. snot Nov 16 #152

Why are we not doing a recount? What is there to lose? pinkstarburst Nov 16 #153

There are statutory requirements for recounts Abnredleg Nov 16 #161

Any candidate can ask for a recount, but they have to pay if the difference is above a certain percentage questionseverything Nov 16 #218

I'm very skeptical here creeksneakers2 Nov 16 #154

he testified in that case. considered an expert. this is all over Reddit and Native Nov 16 #176

I debunked it here: creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #264

I'm wondering if someone threatened the Harris Walz families MagickMuffin Nov 16 #156

Good lord, Harris and Waltz aren't shucking ridiculous conspiracy theories...so you concoct another ridiculous tritsofme Nov 16 #162

Nor am I, I stated it could be a possibility not that it happened MagickMuffin Nov 16 #204

There's a possibility that little green men from Mars used a space laser to change the votes. tritsofme Nov 16 #214

Al Gore spoke eloquently on why he stopped pursuing the recount Babajida Nov 16 #168

Well Al Gore had no choice in the matter after the 5 to 4 decision MagickMuffin Nov 16 #205

Can you post the salient points of that article here? Babajida Nov 16 #165

see post #54. it's there. Native Nov 16 #172

Duty to warn WriteFight Nov 19 #251

I completely believed that Harris was/is a fighter! That she is strong, incorruptible, brave, and different. colorado_ufo Nov 16 #167

I would give money to do this for Harris.............and Greg Palast is really good when it comes to voting............ turbinetree Nov 16 #174

Here is how. After the first $41,300 goes to the DNC, the next $3,300 goes for the Harris recount fund MichMan Nov 17 #235

Thank you turbinetree Nov 18 #249

Democracy requires the certainty that such a recount would provide. n/t Beartracks Nov 16 #175

Could also it be that a large number of MAGA voters cared only about voting for Trump Ocelot II Nov 16 #177

They were targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Nov 16 #180

In Seven swing states then they voted for trump and then voted for the Democratic running for senate. Ninga Nov 19 #257

And where is Trump on recounts and rigged elections? He barely won a majority bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #178

Well time's a wasting, better get a move on it. /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #185

It's just so hard for us to admit to ourselves. SidneyR Nov 16 #193

Heads up! Recounts require observers! Hope22 Nov 16 #195

What happened to trusting our election processes and officials? HereForTheParty Nov 16 #197

any computer system that emulates human work -- requires human spot checks cadoman Nov 16 #200

Im all for it if this is true....makes more sense to me than drumph gaining voters Tribetime Nov 16 #202

Harris Will Ask For Recounts annielion Nov 16 #203

Any body know ????? aurora the great Nov 16 #206

Jeeze... Not this shit again. reACTIONary Nov 16 #207

Does it have to be Harris? mzmolly Nov 16 #208

I think it has to be Harris annielion Nov 16 #212

Crud. I wonder if a lower level candidate can do it? mzmolly Nov 16 #217

Lower level candidate? annielion Nov 17 #222

Looks like the first step would be for everyone to donate $44,600 apiece MichMan Nov 17 #238

I mean somebody down ballot. mzmolly Nov 17 #242

Unless it is a statewide office, any recount would only be for a limited area MichMan Nov 17 #243

Senate candidates mzmolly Nov 17 #244

When I lived in WI, I watched the REBULICAN city clerk, remove ballots from the voting machine, Bluethroughu Nov 16 #213

This Could Be DallasNE Nov 17 #221

I'm glad to see this on the top of the greatest page nt garybeck Nov 17 #223

Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories ... TomWilm Nov 17 #226

"extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" - TBF Nov 19 #254

I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ... TomWilm Nov 19 #260

I'm not as confident as you are in the process - TBF Nov 19 #263

Spoonamore is a Republican. FYI DiamondShark Nov 17 #236

So is Dick Cheney. Your point? nt TBF Nov 19 #255

Do you trust Dick Cheney? DiamondShark Nov 19 #256

I trust very few people and party has little to do with it - TBF Nov 19 #259

I agree with what you said. DiamondShark Nov 19 #261

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Duty to warn WriteFight Nov 19 #250

Duty To Warn letters WriteFight Nov 19 #253

K&R for exposure. Nt Ninga Nov 19 #258