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Emrys

(8,089 posts)
18. Without wishing to seem patronizing, thank you. You very much get it.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:33 PM
Nov 19

Ukraine is close to my heart, not least because of my very active involvement years ago in the peace/anti-nuclear/disarmament movement.

When Ukraine chose to give up its nuclear weapons (albeit it didn't have the infrastructure capacity to maintain them, let alone a reason at the time to contemplate needing to threaten to use them), we applauded it because we hoped it would be a model for wider disarmament and de-escalation.

The reneging on the defence treaty agreements of the time - blatantly by the Russians, less so by the USA but no less disappointingly, and a little more defensibly by the UK as another party - leaves me in the uncomfortable position that I would be hard put to encourage other countries to follow suit nowadays, and couldn't blame the Ukrainians if they decided to develop their own nuclear armaments.

We are, unfortunately, where we are now. I'm pacifist by nature, a kind of Joan Baez pacifist (see "What would you do if?" ) who if faced with the inter-state dilemmas we've allowed to develop, can't say much except these were probably avoidable if we'd have behaved differently in years past. But we didn't, and now we can't flinch when we reap what we've sown, and we have to react as we see best in the hope it may work out better than if we don't.

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How do you stockpile medication? woodsprite Nov 19 #1
Florida isn't in Finland and Sweden... presumably their laws differ. AkFemDem Nov 19 #3
same here...and I take some really narly biologic for my autoimmune disease FirstLight Nov 19 #8
I take Simponi for A.S. JustAnotherGen Nov 19 #34
Personal prescription medication is somewhat different... Dan Nov 19 #31
Don't expect any assistance from the USA republianmushroom Nov 19 #2
We don't have until Jan 20.... AkFemDem Nov 19 #5
Putin just won the war he is waging against the US. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #26
Honestly, we are already in WWIII DSandra Nov 19 #30
I'm stockpiling coffee. Greybnk48 Nov 19 #4
Yikes! You live in Finland or Sweden? AkFemDem Nov 19 #6
Man I hope this fizzles out jfz9580m Nov 19 #7
Putin rattles his nukes at every supposed "provocation" Emrys Nov 19 #9
Thats called wistful thinking AkFemDem Nov 19 #10
btw I call this optimistic POV "The American Bubble Boy Syndrome" AkFemDem Nov 19 #11
I believe 100% that Putin won't start a nuclear war. Elessar Zappa Nov 19 #12
Rubbish. It's called realism, not optimism. Emrys Nov 19 #13
Denial, wistful thinking, navet.... AkFemDem Nov 19 #14
You've behaved as arrogantly as any person I've encountered on DU Emrys Nov 19 #15
Okay AkFemDem Nov 19 #19
The governments will behave responsibly. Neither I nor you have to tell them a thing. Emrys Nov 19 #21
I've been "uncomfortable" ever since the day russia launched its full scale invasion Crunchy Frog Nov 19 #17
Without wishing to seem patronizing, thank you. You very much get it. Emrys Nov 19 #18
Ukraine is really close to my heart too. I got really fascinated with the whole region Crunchy Frog Nov 19 #20
I think many of us at the end of the Cold War had big hopes for a Russia that was modelled more on Gorbachev than Putin, Emrys Nov 19 #22
wistful adjective Crunchy Frog Nov 19 #23
If I want WW3 hysteria I'll go over to Xitter. Crunchy Frog Nov 19 #16
The sooner Putin and his goons rid the world of their evil existence the better. Initech Nov 19 #24
"The Kremlin has revised its nuclear policy. Does that make the use of atomic weapons more likely?" AkFemDem Nov 19 #25
I forsee a military catastrophe. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 19 #27
What if you don't have a baby milestogo Nov 19 #28
Well there are a few people posting on this thread who could use the diapers... Crunchy Frog Nov 19 #33
I dont understand JeffinUT Nov 19 #29
Someone figure out how to notify Kamala Harris of the likelihood that the election was stolen... DSandra Nov 19 #32
And pay cash for it. That way the government can't come after you for hoarding. mucholderthandirt Nov 20 #35
You can buy bon reloadable cards that can't be tracked Kaleva Nov 20 #36
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