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115. I don't disagree about the harm to human beings

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:41 PM

Nov 19

While most AI output is shitty, I'm not convinced it will remain that way, though. If it dramatically improves, all the worse for humans. Those with a strong creative impulse will continue to creative because they enjoy the process but making a living at any art form will be much, much harder. That said, it's hardly limited to artistic endeavors because it will effect everything and I don't even know what that means. There have been accusations that the Israelis are using AI in targeting Gaza. I don't know if that's true but I'm sure it will become a very efficient killer, if it's not already, and there are plenty of human psychopaths who make use of it.

I brought up the fact that there are a lot of people who believe we live in a simulation, a belief I don't share. AI could turn out be the simulation that's coming. It reminds me the Gnostics and their beliefs about Archons and a fake reality or imitation of the real deal. I may have to revisit some of that metaphysical stuff to get a better understanding but I do think the AI assault is ultimately a spiritual one. That might sound pretty out there but I don't think it is. We're looking at human consciousness being substituted with something unconscious.

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I was just informed from my boss and HR that my entire profession is being automated away. [View all] usonian Nov 19 OP

with ai fake music wont need real musicians and songwriters anymore. no royalty payout for spotify nt msongs Nov 19 #1

They just don't get it! kevinore Nov 19 #2

The other day, someone here was arguing that "AI will replace as many jobs as it takes away." PeaceWave Nov 19 #3

I remember that and they're full of shit soandso Nov 19 #14

Good point. Plumbers, electricians and other trades are in high demand. jimfields33 Wednesday #152

Pretty Silly ProfessorGAC Wednesday #154

If they want to keep their lifestyle the same they will. jimfields33 Wednesday #155

Yup soandso Wednesday #158

I think we're seeing only the low-hanging fruit being picked. usonian Nov 19 #21

Historically the 2 biggest costs for employers were the costs associated Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #37

Of course, have yet to hear who will buy the products & services companies offer . . . .. hatrack Nov 19 #40

95. DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Nov 19 #96

And this in the age of high inflation, ever more expensive rent, and an incoming fascist regime... DSandra Nov 19 #9

Oh they're not thinking that far down the line. calimary Nov 19 #28

Deportation Delphinus Nov 19 #106

That is the right question Cirsium Nov 19 #114

There's evidence Spotify's already starting to do that. Ted Gioia has written about it, and he and highplainsdem Nov 19 #4

I listen to Beato quite a bit soandso Nov 19 #15

It's that good ONLY because companies like Udio and Suno stole all the music they could and are highplainsdem Nov 19 #19

Thanks and I'll read it soandso Nov 19 #25

The destruction of culture- FalloutShelter Nov 19 #57

I think it's three books a day uploaded to Kindle, or it was the last I heard, but of course that still highplainsdem Nov 19 #85

You are right... just checked and they have stepped it back to three. FalloutShelter Nov 19 #94

This: Delphinus Nov 19 #107

If a novel is created by AI Mossfern Nov 19 #120

Movie theaters used to employ musicians to play during silent movies Jose Garcia Nov 19 #89

DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Nov 19 #95

This is exactly what I have been saying would happen. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #5

Unions can only fight things with the threat of strikes messing up the business... regnaD kciN Nov 19 #26

Yes, that's a good point. Firing all at once with no warning is a low blow. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #32

You are right, but in the wrong way.... getagrip_already Nov 19 #50

I may be off a little but my understanding is only about 6% are unionized. TheKentuckian Nov 19 #39

That was sort of my point... Silver Gaia Nov 19 #48

People have to JOIN unions Ursus Rex Nov 19 #71

The other aspect of this is Otto_Harper Nov 19 #6

That is the real danger. Orwell was off by a few decades wnylib Nov 19 #23

They can try, but will lose audience Steven Maurer Nov 19 #7

Just more reason to hope for the aliens to stop screwing around and finish us off already. PeaceWave Nov 19 #8

Some times it's so bs backwards I feel like I'm in a science experiment questionseverything Nov 19 #12

Lots of people believe we're in a simulation soandso Nov 19 #20

I'm still waiting for the asteroid.... n/t slightlv Nov 19 #13

Huh? If aliens had our termination in mind misanthrope Nov 19 #18

Aliens, killer asteroid, it's all good. Xavier Breath Nov 19 #78

This is where capitalism needs to be reigned in. Ideally, as we are replaced by AI and machines, we should work fewer Doodley Nov 19 #10

Thanks for posting this, usonian! I skimmed some of those replies. Very different tone from what highplainsdem Nov 19 #11

Wow! Capitalist's Ayn Rand dream. usonian Nov 19 #24

There's already plenty of evidence that genAI has plateaued and will never reach the AGI/ASI level highplainsdem Nov 19 #66

"Watched over by machines of loving grace" ? Dang, I forgot which SF author said that and whether it's a preface quote.. electric_blue68 Nov 19 #122

Oh, what an innocent time that was... highplainsdem Nov 19 #129

Definitely Not. 😔 electric_blue68 Nov 19 #132

Well, it depends on whether you view Brautigan's poem as naively utopian, which seems to be highplainsdem Nov 19 #134

I so agree with everything you said. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #34

I think there are definite benefits in science and medicine to some types of AI analyzing vast amounts highplainsdem Nov 19 #67

Someone else said that AI was supposed to clean the house & do the dishes . . . hatrack Nov 19 #42

Exactly. I remember hearing about a conference for AI scientists where someone (from OpenAI, IIRC) highplainsdem Nov 19 #68

I dread the prospect of "Apple AI" streamlining the most trivial of digital chores, usonian Nov 19 #82

Those of us who write and self publish are already seeing things get bad with "AI". mucholderthandirt Nov 19 #44

I'm all in favor of tech that helps writers, and there have been many such changes. A writer Stephen King's age highplainsdem Nov 19 #70

TY for this abbreviated history, current happenings involving the physical actions of writers writing, editors, etc... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #123

I've encountered AI fans who think text generators should be viewed as just one more tool for highplainsdem Nov 19 #131

I guess u better start making charcoal so you can ground your own ink... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #133

So your writing circle created fan fiction? I've heard of pros getting started that way. And your art highplainsdem Nov 19 #135

Ah, you've heard the term! It's sort of nichey... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #136

It's been around for a long time: highplainsdem Wednesday #148

Ty. I didn't know about the 19th+ century books. Interesting! I found it in '86 at a Philly SF Con... electric_blue68 Wednesday #159

It's terrible. And trade publishing is now going full on AI pinkstarburst Wednesday #142

And companies that use AI after firing workers will fight Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #46

Of course. The AI companies released AI tools they knew would be used for cheating and fraud because highplainsdem Nov 19 #72

At some point there won't be any more human content for AI to feed on Ocelot II Nov 19 #59

There's some indication it will get worse, in what's called model collapse. Some people, mostly at AI companies, highplainsdem Nov 19 #79

Just found out via The Verge that Microsoft is the company planning to train AI on HarperCollins books: highplainsdem Nov 19 #111

Ugh, shame on you Harper Collins! Here's to Human Creatives!... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #121

In many SciFi series, there is usually one episode (or more) slightlv Nov 19 #16

"First you use machines, then you wear machines, then you serve machines." hatrack Nov 19 #43

I got laid off when I was an HR Consultant.its sort of a "pluff" job kerry-is-my-prez Nov 19 #17

Located this video I'd watched soandso Nov 19 #22

Again, this is all based on theft of IP. You don't even need to enter lyrics. Just a few words to suggest lyrics. highplainsdem Nov 19 #27

I'll watch those soandso Nov 19 #30

Nothing is entirely original. We learn from others who came before us, that's how humanity works. mucholderthandirt Nov 19 #45

No, AI isn't making anything new, and it doesn't learn the same way as people. What it produces highplainsdem Nov 19 #52

You and I think so alike on this. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #60

I don't disagree about the harm to human beings soandso Nov 19 #115

Check it out soandso Wednesday #139

So, I obliged with a request soandso Wednesday #140

Yes, it will churn stuff out instantaneously. It's still unethical to use. I don't find those paragraphs highplainsdem Wednesday #150

You're missing my point soandso Wednesday #157

Please don't expect anything resembling truth from chatbots. They're mindless mimicry of reasoning highplainsdem Wednesday #149

Yeah, I realize that soandso Wednesday #156

What I find especially discouraging soandso Wednesday #138

Change is never welcome but without it we would still be living in caves. cstanleytech Nov 19 #29

Not all change is a benefit Mossfern Nov 19 #55

I'm sure that candle makers felt the same way about gas and electric lighting and I'm sure the coal miners are currently cstanleytech Nov 19 #73

I don't think those are analogis Mossfern Nov 19 #98

That's because the candle makers adapted to the situation just as people can adapt to the existence of AI. cstanleytech Nov 19 #116

Candle makers still make candles Mossfern Nov 19 #118

AI is different from other revolutions - it's largey based upon theft radius777 Nov 19 #128

AI is like a toddler watching an older kid playing with building blocks that tries to mimic what it saw. cstanleytech Nov 19 #130

That has been a go-to come back for any criticism of ai. bluesbassman Nov 19 #56

An AI grows much like a human in that they absorb knowledge and learn from but the AI is just faster at it. cstanleytech Nov 19 #75

Yes, and we wouldn't have microplastics on top of Everest or in fetal bloodstreams hatrack Nov 19 #74

I never said change was perfect but nonetheless things do change no matter how much we might not like it. cstanleytech Nov 19 #93

Not the point - this is not inevitable, like the procession of the equinoxes or aging . . . . hatrack Nov 19 #117

And it was a choice of the wealthy to support the change to electricity which most did to stay wealthy. cstanleytech Nov 19 #119

It's one thing to replace the horse and buggy - re: the quantity and the time it took to do it, Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #31

Take away enough jobs and who is going to buy the crap they sell? Silver Gaia Nov 19 #33

Many many companies have already abandoned the masses... DSandra Nov 19 #35

You're right! What did Henry Ford say when business men decried him Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #36

General Motors have been doing that since the early 70s. They eliminated Emile Nov 19 #38

There are a lot of jobs at risk through computer automation, I know - I implement the systems Amishman Nov 19 #41

People need to have their eyes open Johnny2X2X Nov 19 #64

The safest place to be is anywhere there are no hard rules and/or lots of on-offs and exceptions Amishman Nov 19 #81

AI is cancer Blue_Tires Nov 19 #47

Journalism is essential for democracy. Kid Berwyn Nov 19 #49

The Luddites were right! Mossfern Nov 19 #51

We need a universal basic income area51 Nov 19 #53

Mass incaceration John Shaft Nov 19 #65

My sister has been an insurance adjuster for a LONG time. LucasD Nov 19 #54

My mom worked in radio. hunter Nov 19 #58

I knew this was coming XanaDUer2 Nov 19 #61

I'm glad I retired from the business when I did. Liberal In Texas Nov 19 #62

What local news? John Shaft Nov 19 #63

ChatGPT / AI isn't ready to replace humans in most jobs. Oneironaut Nov 19 #69

What's the big worry? Prairie_Seagull Nov 19 #76

There haven't been "jobs in paste up" for decades jmowreader Nov 19 #86

Very good friend worked for a newspaper in just this job. Prairie_Seagull Nov 19 #90

The best change I remember was going from 13" film to 26" film jmowreader Nov 19 #97

Just for my understanding...these plates, are they... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #124

They're aluminum printing plates that work like the ones you make on a plate frame jmowreader Nov 19 #125

Interesting Will get back to you in a bit 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 19 #127

I'm back. Looked up some stuff... wow, you got thrown into the deep end of the pool!... electric_blue68 Wednesday #137

I know about Kodalith but never used any jmowreader Wednesday #141

What was the differece between them? electric_blue68 Wednesday #144

Different chemicals are used to develop them jmowreader Wednesday #146

👍 electric_blue68 Wednesday #147

I *did* paste ups, and mechanicals 76 - mid '80, some graphic design, and illustration. Then off & on; *rare* ... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #126

There may be an upside. LAS14 Nov 19 #77

That's the plot of Vonnegut's first novel, Player Piano, published in 1952. FSogol Nov 19 #80

This seems to come from a group in Reddit dealing with ChatGPT. LAS14 Nov 19 #83

That's the universal worry these days. One has to be cautious usonian Nov 19 #84

That cartoon Delphinus Nov 19 #108

The animation industry's suffering, too Chalco Nov 19 #87

YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE LINK OR DELETE THIS!!!! Native Nov 19 #88

Why do you say that? I followed the link. It seemed legit. nt LAS14 Nov 19 #100

the OP changed it to the new link i provided Native Nov 19 #102

look at the url..it is bad... - old.reddit. that's not reddit Native Nov 19 #91

When I first clicked on it it took me to old Reddit... LAS14 Nov 19 #101

when i clicked on a link to share the thread, that's when things went bad. Native Nov 19 #104

I still say that old.reddit is a legit site. When I go there I'm automatically logged in just... LAS14 Nov 19 #112

here is the correct link Native Nov 19 #92

I work in healthcare and they tried to Luciferous Nov 19 #99

I hope they do. I'm looking forward to the genAI bubble bursting, and the sooner the better. highplainsdem Wednesday #151

Thanks for the new link at the explanation and the credit to Native. We do... LAS14 Nov 19 #103

When the 11 million immigrants are gone there will be plenty of StarryNite Nov 19 #105

In other words, the rebirth of Pol Pot jmowreader Wednesday #153

BU just ditched Humanities, Social Sciences for AI Ndp5 Nov 19 #109

AI has exhausted all the training data of the entire planet and is now feeding on its own output. usonian Nov 19 #110

Well, damn it. nt LAS14 Nov 19 #113

who needs local news? they didn't do their jobs, people are dumb it's over Nimble_Idea Wednesday #143

lol, no o7___o7 Wednesday #145