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Lucky Luciano

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17. If you're trying to win the electoral college...

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:47 PM

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You place your bets to optimize for that and that may not be the same optimization problem as winning the popular vote. Trust me - if Robert Mercer was involved he knew how to optimize to win.

I know many here absolutely loathe Bernie, but he is not wrong and is worth listening to.

My primary takeaway from this shitshow is echo chambers are bad.

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John Pavlovitz: No, the Democratic Party Can't "Message Better" to Racism, Misogyny, and Ignorance [View all] Dennis Donovan Tuesday OP

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1

I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Tuesday #2

The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Tuesday #4

K&R Docreed2003 Tuesday #3

Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Tuesday #5

This SomedayKindaLove Tuesday #9

NO, that's just not true... Moostache Tuesday #12

"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Tuesday #13

Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Tuesday #18

The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Tuesday #20

The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Tuesday #31

Exactly.... SnoopDog Tuesday #32

The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja 11 hrs ago #72

Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Tuesday #29

"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Yesterday #42

Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph 18 hrs ago #48

Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha 14 hrs ago #59

How is it not? iemanja 11 hrs ago #70

"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Tuesday #33

They did. cab67 18 hrs ago #49

That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Tuesday #21

Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Yesterday #41

The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja 11 hrs ago #73

The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Tuesday #23

That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Tuesday #25

The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Tuesday #28

Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu 13 hrs ago #62

Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack 18 hrs ago #45

What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 16 hrs ago #52

Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog 16 hrs ago #53

I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady 12 hrs ago #63

In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream 12 hrs ago #64

It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog 12 hrs ago #65

I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream 12 hrs ago #66

Disagree mcar 12 hrs ago #68

Totally agree... SnoopDog 11 hrs ago #74

Republican billionaires bought them mcar 11 hrs ago #75

But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Tuesday #6

If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Tuesday #17

They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Tuesday #35

Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano 17 hrs ago #51

Meh. Cha 14 hrs ago #58

The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #38

Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Yesterday #40

Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus 18 hrs ago #47

Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar 11 hrs ago #71

+++ JohnSJ 21 hrs ago #43

This is truth! Dem4life1970 Tuesday #7

Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Tuesday #8

She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Tuesday #10

Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Tuesday #11

When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Tuesday #14

Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Tuesday #15

Case in point: madamesilverspurs Tuesday #16

1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Tuesday #19

I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Tuesday #22

Electoral success Cirsium Tuesday #24

Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Tuesday #26

I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Tuesday #34

Thank God dlk Tuesday #27

Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Tuesday #30

Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Tuesday #36

My take on Henry203 19 hrs ago #44

Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Tuesday #37

THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Yesterday #39

K&R...nt Wounded Bear 18 hrs ago #46

John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis 17 hrs ago #50

Thank you Blue_Tires 16 hrs ago #54

The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog 16 hrs ago #55

I agree 100%. Martin68 15 hrs ago #56

I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs 14 hrs ago #57

It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian 13 hrs ago #60

Perfectly stated. mdbl 13 hrs ago #61

Exactly mcar 12 hrs ago #67

If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja 11 hrs ago #69

What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. 11 hrs ago #76

They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja 10 hrs ago #77

Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush 10 hrs ago #78

For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter 8 hrs ago #79