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36. Sorry, have to push back on this.

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:14 PM

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Lots of people voted for Trump and voted Democratic downballot. Heck Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nevada elected Democratic women to the senate. Those are the people that need better messaging.

Of course I don't want to downplay that our media ecosystem is horrifically bad and only cares about "balance" and "fairness" and wants to pretend the problems with Democrats and Republicans are the same. But there are people that generally only like Trump because he's hated by the rest of the political class. I know people like that, and I worked with all my might to push their votes the other way. Kamala just comes off as "too establishment" for people, and being proud of the endorsement of the Cheney's didn't help at all.

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John Pavlovitz: No, the Democratic Party Can't "Message Better" to Racism, Misogyny, and Ignorance [View all] Dennis Donovan Tuesday OP

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1

I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Tuesday #2

The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Tuesday #4

K&R Docreed2003 Tuesday #3

Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Tuesday #5

This SomedayKindaLove Tuesday #9

NO, that's just not true... Moostache Tuesday #12

"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Tuesday #13

Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Tuesday #18

The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Tuesday #20

The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Tuesday #31

Exactly.... SnoopDog Tuesday #32

The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja 14 hrs ago #72

Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Tuesday #29

"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Yesterday #42

Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph 21 hrs ago #48

Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha 17 hrs ago #59

How is it not? iemanja 14 hrs ago #70

"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Tuesday #33

They did. cab67 21 hrs ago #49

That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Tuesday #21

Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Yesterday #41

The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja 14 hrs ago #73

The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Tuesday #23

That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Tuesday #25

The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Tuesday #28

Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu 16 hrs ago #62

Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack 22 hrs ago #45

What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 20 hrs ago #52

Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog 19 hrs ago #53

I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady 15 hrs ago #63

In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream 15 hrs ago #64

It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog 15 hrs ago #65

I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream 15 hrs ago #66

Disagree mcar 15 hrs ago #68

Totally agree... SnoopDog 14 hrs ago #74

Republican billionaires bought them mcar 14 hrs ago #75

But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Tuesday #6

If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Tuesday #17

They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Tuesday #35

Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano 20 hrs ago #51

Meh. Cha 17 hrs ago #58

The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #38

Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Yesterday #40

Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus 21 hrs ago #47

Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar 14 hrs ago #71

+++ JohnSJ Yesterday #43

This is truth! Dem4life1970 Tuesday #7

Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Tuesday #8

She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Tuesday #10

Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Tuesday #11

When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Tuesday #14

Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Tuesday #15

Case in point: madamesilverspurs Tuesday #16

1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Tuesday #19

I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Tuesday #22

Electoral success Cirsium Tuesday #24

Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Tuesday #26

I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Tuesday #34

Thank God dlk Tuesday #27

Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Tuesday #30

Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Tuesday #36

My take on Henry203 22 hrs ago #44

Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Tuesday #37

THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Yesterday #39

K&R...nt Wounded Bear 21 hrs ago #46

John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis 21 hrs ago #50

Thank you Blue_Tires 19 hrs ago #54

The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog 19 hrs ago #55

I agree 100%. Martin68 18 hrs ago #56

I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs 17 hrs ago #57

It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian 17 hrs ago #60

Perfectly stated. mdbl 16 hrs ago #61

Exactly mcar 15 hrs ago #67

If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja 15 hrs ago #69

What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. 14 hrs ago #76

They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja 14 hrs ago #77

Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush 13 hrs ago #78

For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter 11 hrs ago #79