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mcar

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68. Disagree

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 05:01 PM

Nov 20

When the MSM is 24/7 spreading doom and gloom about the economy, despite how well Biden/Harris have done with the economy, it's not the Ds messaging, it's media pushing propaganda.

And I'm not talking about RW media - it was a constant drumbeat for 4 years from "legacy media," CNN, MSNBC, etc. Gas prices, egg prices, recession coming. They never gave Biden one iota of credit for creating the best post-Covid economy in the world. It was always negative.

Then they expressed surprise when polls showed that people thought the economy sucked.

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John Pavlovitz: No, the Democratic Party Can't "Message Better" to Racism, Misogyny, and Ignorance [View all] Dennis Donovan Nov 19 OP

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #1

I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Nov 19 #2

The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #4

K&R Docreed2003 Nov 19 #3

Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Nov 19 #5

This SomedayKindaLove Nov 19 #9

NO, that's just not true... Moostache Nov 19 #12

"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Nov 19 #13

Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Nov 19 #18

The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Nov 19 #20

The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Nov 19 #31

Exactly.... SnoopDog Nov 19 #32

The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja Nov 20 #72

Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Nov 19 #29

"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Nov 20 #42

Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph Nov 20 #48

Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha Nov 20 #59

How is it not? iemanja Nov 20 #70

"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Nov 19 #33

They did. cab67 Nov 20 #49

That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Nov 19 #21

Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Nov 20 #41

The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja Nov 20 #73

The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Nov 19 #23

That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Nov 19 #25

The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Nov 19 #28

Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu Nov 20 #62

Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack Nov 20 #45

What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 Nov 20 #52

Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog Nov 20 #53

I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady Nov 20 #63

In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream Nov 20 #64

It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog Nov 20 #65

I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream Nov 20 #66

Disagree mcar Nov 20 #68

Totally agree... SnoopDog Nov 20 #74

Republican billionaires bought them mcar Nov 20 #75

But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Nov 19 #6

If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Nov 19 #17

They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Nov 19 #35

Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano Nov 20 #51

Meh. Cha Nov 20 #58

The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Nov 19 #38

Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Nov 20 #40

Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 20 #47

Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar Nov 20 #71

+++ JohnSJ Nov 20 #43

This is truth! Dem4life1970 Nov 19 #7

Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Nov 19 #8

She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Nov 19 #10

Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Nov 19 #11

When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Nov 19 #14

Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Nov 19 #15

Case in point: madamesilverspurs Nov 19 #16

1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Nov 19 #19

I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Nov 19 #22

Electoral success Cirsium Nov 19 #24

Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Nov 19 #26

I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Nov 19 #34

Thank God dlk Nov 19 #27

Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Nov 19 #30

Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Nov 19 #36

My take on Henry203 Nov 20 #44

Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Nov 19 #37

THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Nov 20 #39

K&R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 20 #46

John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis Nov 20 #50

Thank you Blue_Tires Nov 20 #54

The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #55

I agree 100%. Martin68 Nov 20 #56

I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs Nov 20 #57

It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian Nov 20 #60

Perfectly stated. mdbl Nov 20 #61

Exactly mcar Nov 20 #67

If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja Nov 20 #69

What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. Nov 20 #76

They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja Nov 20 #77

Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush Nov 20 #78

For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter Nov 20 #79