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EnergizedLib

(2,286 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 01:37 PM Nov 22

I'm not completely convinced we're the problem [View all]

It's going to take a long time to recover from the trauma of the election, and I've seen all sorts of blame and finger pointing and people hating on us, dunking on us and our policies and the things we've said and done.

The more I think about it, the problem isn't us. In fact, while unfortunately and undoubtedly prevalent, I'm not even convinced racism and misogyny were the big problem.

The big problems I see, in the two weeks after the election, are the complete disconnect from reality and an uninformed electorate.

Exhibit A, not knowing about tariffs:

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/us-politics/what-is-a-tariff-google-searches-for-term-tariff-spike-after-donald-trump-elected-as-president-c-16712054

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"Google searches for the term “tariff” have spiked after the election, as have queries about “Trump’s tariff plan” — spiking more than 1650 per cent since the election. Searches for “who pays tariffs” have risen 350 per cent since the election.

To be fair, the vast majority of people may not know the intricacies of tariffs — let alone heard about them — before Mr Trump waxed lyrical about them throughout his re-election campaign."

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How about a failure of those in charge, those whose job it is to teach and inform, what a tariff is?

I'm not sure how often it is I will ever post something from Truth Social, but here's one user in shock:

https://bsky.app/profile/ggold328.bsky.social/post/3lba3c45tc22p

Exhibit B, Project 2025

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/trump-project-2025.html

Article is titled, "What is Project 2025 and why did Trump Distance Himself From It During the Campaign?

I'd like to answer that question. I think if trump actually tied to himself to Project 2025, she would've won.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/trump-americans-vote-plutocrats-taxes-1235161296/

Article is titled, "Americans didn't vote for what Donald Trump is about to give them."

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"So what happens when the emperor is revealed to have no clothes — or even worse, the garb of the same financial “elites” he claims to be against? Obviously, the MAGA faithful will stay with Trump no matter what — after all, his failure to bring about revolution in 2017 spawned the QAnon conspiracy theory, which said he was really about to do it, any day now. But the economic voters that gave him his victory could abandon Trump if he can’t deliver results. And he cannot. While Trump is busy trying to throw his enemies in jail, he has no plan — not even “concepts of a plan” — for the kitchen-table concerns that actually put him into office. Maybe, just maybe, voters will see they’ve been conned."

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Exhibit C, Getting the Muslim vote

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/

Article is titled, "Trump's pro-Israel cabinet picks upset Muslims who voted for him."

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WASHINGTON, Nov 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration's support for Israel's war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
"Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his secretary of state pick and others," said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump.

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Exhibit D, Healthcare

This is nothing new, something I've known for years, but the reality is people in this country hate Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act.

Article is titled, "Trump voters mercilessly mocked over heartbreaking mistake."

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Some people have allegedly admitted that they didn't even realize that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act were the same thing - and social media users are making fun of them for making the mistake.

One man, named Bernard Taylor, explained in a TikTok video posted last week that he had just seen a clip shared by a man who confessed that he thought they were two different things.

'I'm sorry but is this real life? This can't be real life right now,' he said. 'I just saw a video of a guy who said he voted for [Trump] because he was gonna get rid of Obamacare.

'He didn't like Obamacare, and he was voting to get rid of it. But he said he wasn't worried because he's unemployed and on disability, so he has his insurance through the Affordable Care Act.'

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But we're the problem, right? Those of us who've paid attention all along have known Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing.

Exhibit E, Engagement

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-won-highly-engaged-voters-struggled-everyone-else-2024-rcna179957

Article is titled, "Democrats won 'highly engaged' voters and struggled with everybody else in 2024."

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Vice President Kamala Harris and Democrats convinced frequent voters and highly engaged voters to stick with them in the 2024 presidential election.

Their problem: They lost with most everyone else.

According to the final NBC News poll of the 2024 race, 76% of registered voters said they follow public affairs and politics closely. The poll showed Harris winning among that group by 5 points over Donald Trump, 52%-47%.

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"But among the remaining quarter of voters who said they don’t follow politics closely, Trump was ahead by a much greater margin — 14 points, 54%-40%.

These less-engaged voters were disproportionately younger, more Republican-leaning and less likely to have college degrees — all groups of voters the NBC News Exit Poll showed Democrats struggling with in the election results earlier this month, especially compared to past presidential races."

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So, people who were informed and paid attention voted for us. Those who were not, did not. Now, how do we get the word out, get others more engaged and get others more informed to fight back against an aggressive, and unfortunately successful, disinformation campaign?

Conclusion - Maybe there are some policy and messaging tweaks we can make, certainly racism and misogyny are prevalent in America, but I'm convinced the biggest reason we're about to face the sequel to this nightmare, hopefully just for four years, is that people who voted for the convicted felon got conned.

Again.

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We have an uninformed, propagandized electorate. Basso8vb Nov 22 #1
Exactly EnergizedLib Nov 22 #2
This plus kerouac2 Nov 22 #10
' I mean, ignorance is a choice' EnergizedLib Nov 22 #11
It's not a choice. De-education is happening. live love laugh Nov 23 #97
When people are Googling if Biden dropped out EnergizedLib Nov 23 #98
Add being cell phone mesmerized to the mix. live love laugh Nov 23 #100
And if people (myself included) are so addicted to their phones EnergizedLib Nov 23 #102
And don't forget that idiotic new math crap. jimfields33 Nov 23 #105
Yup, and I've been saying it's the problem for 15 years. Initech Nov 22 #17
For 15 years? Wow EnergizedLib Nov 22 #28
Fox has been a problem since the 2000 election. Initech Nov 22 #35
I remember the Glenn Beck nonsense EnergizedLib Nov 22 #36
Actually, it's been more like 40 years. eom BComplex Nov 22 #65
The blame game has very "look what you made me do" abusive vibes. RockRaven Nov 22 #3
Hell no! It's the same shit every election cycle. Initech Nov 22 #19
Let's start building up more leftist media and podcasts EnergizedLib Nov 22 #25
That's exactly right. F*ck that. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 22 #30
Bingo. Abusers always blame their victims. yardwork Nov 22 #41
The trauma of the election hasn't even begun yet. Think. Again. Nov 22 #4
We're not the same country we were before this nightmare EnergizedLib Nov 22 #5
You're pretending there will be some kind if consistency... Think. Again. Nov 22 #7
People were asking after the election EnergizedLib Nov 22 #8
Sometimes, when people won't listen, Erda Nov 22 #6
I hope there is a midterm EnergizedLib Nov 22 #9
Propaganda is so strong Johnny2X2X Nov 22 #12
Because of the powerful propaganda machine EnergizedLib Nov 22 #13
So many people are ignorant about economics, and believed that prices... keep_left Nov 22 #18
The fact real wages went up under Biden was reported like twice Johnny2X2X Nov 22 #20
The corporate media is largely to blame EnergizedLib Nov 22 #23
Yep. Let's not forget all those man-on-the-street interviews... keep_left Nov 22 #24
That was depressing to read EnergizedLib Nov 22 #26
So spot on. He always nails it. brush Nov 22 #37
When people are too stupid to realize their pockets are bulging with extra cash, not much hope on messaging them. MichMan Nov 23 #111
Lower prices deflation EnergizedLib Nov 22 #22
Our country's ugly streak is deeper and wider than I thought HereForTheParty Nov 22 #14
I'm not sure about the majority EnergizedLib Nov 22 #15
Let's face it, the fault is not that of the center-left/and left. We live in a racist, misogynist majority nation. brush Nov 22 #16
Racism and misogyny undoubtedly exist in this nation EnergizedLib Nov 22 #21
Agreed. And would you say the other part of the problem is the spectre of fascism? brush Nov 22 #27
The other part of the problem is the uninformed electorate EnergizedLib Nov 22 #29
Have you heard of trump's latest pronouncement of taking back the colleges from... brush Nov 22 #39
Yes, I have EnergizedLib Nov 22 #43
They'll blame the democrats for releasing the leopards geardaddy Nov 22 #57
And then when they finally wake up EnergizedLib Nov 22 #60
I don't think many of them have the ability to wake up geardaddy Nov 22 #66
They will if and only if it affects them EnergizedLib Nov 22 #67
Yes, I agree with this. geardaddy Nov 22 #70
If TFG said the sky is green his cult would have believed it. Raven123 Nov 22 #31
People got crushed in 2020 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #33
Apparently not. Raven123 Nov 22 #52
Nothing has done more to damage our country than a decades-long deluge of Republican propaganda. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #32
And Reagan and ending the Fairness Doctrine EnergizedLib Nov 22 #34
Elections aren't decided by a committee of tenured professors at Harvard WarGamer Nov 22 #38
Buyer's remorse by settling in EnergizedLib Nov 22 #40
How many people actually Googled that? Mariana Nov 23 #96
Agree on some points BannonsLiver Nov 22 #42
What to learn EnergizedLib Nov 22 #44
I think those are solid points BannonsLiver Nov 22 #45
Thank You EnergizedLib Nov 22 #47
Anyone with an educated perspective on recent history and fact-based news is called "elitist." So yes, the ancianita Nov 22 #46
Confirmation bias and propaganda EnergizedLib Nov 22 #48
Right, but it's about WHO has convinced folks about what they need to keep confirming that we need to watch out for. ancianita Nov 22 #59
Who is "we"? LymphocyteLover Nov 22 #49
It's as simple as this. Some people you can tell not to stick the metal fork in the electrical outlet. Ray Bruns Nov 22 #50
I'd have thought they learned in 2020 and 2021 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #54
Racism and misogyny, We can't change "hearts and minds" but we can change laws and the culture by WINNING. usonian Nov 22 #51
I don't think Christian Nationalism and theocracy are popular EnergizedLib Nov 22 #56
People are voting their prejudices and electing Christian Nationalism and theocracy. usonian Nov 22 #61
And then they realize EnergizedLib Nov 22 #62
I only linked half the picture, to fit better with your comment on Christian Nationalism and theocracy usonian Nov 22 #68
I've seen that before EnergizedLib Nov 22 #69
Agree! Not only uninformed, but deliberately mis- and dis-informed. CountMyVote4Reality Nov 22 #53
So, if the news is fake, what's fake about it? EnergizedLib Nov 22 #55
Many say Fox News is fake. It's just an extension of that. jimfields33 Nov 23 #107
Let news organizations that haven't settled for $787 million EnergizedLib Nov 23 #108
I suppose. Hope they get sold off too. jimfields33 Nov 23 #109
Why? So Elon can buy MSNBC? EnergizedLib Nov 23 #110
The problem is we have a sadistic, psychotic, vindictive and hostile propaganda outlet... Initech Nov 22 #58
Spot on! Phoenix61 Nov 22 #63
I think it's still mainly racism and misogyny. The "uninformed" bit is more "I won't listen to things that go against .. muriel_volestrangler Nov 22 #64
Gas was pretty high in 2018 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #71
It's not a question of "blame." It's what we need to do to win next time. iemanja Nov 22 #72
As I would love to run for president in 2028, I have ideas EnergizedLib Nov 22 #76
About half the people in the U.S.A. are ignorant fuckwits or sociopaths hunter Nov 22 #73
Nailed it MaineBlueBear Nov 22 #74
People want their abortions, but they voted Republicans EnergizedLib Nov 22 #77
Agreed Tweedy Nov 22 #75
Call out the corporate media EnergizedLib Nov 22 #78
Yeah. I think the responsible culprits are at Tweedy Nov 22 #81
Fox News already paid one settlement EnergizedLib Nov 22 #83
Five minutes of Fox News Tweedy Nov 23 #112
Tariffs lower prices the same way Mexico paid for the wall IronLionZion Nov 22 #79
But they would own it EnergizedLib Nov 22 #80
repukes have access to the same information we all do Skittles Nov 22 #82
They can't use JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #84
No sympathy for them EnergizedLib Nov 22 #86
These dumbfucks are outlawing abortions, cutting themselves out of healthcare, and TBF Nov 22 #85
I'd sure hope lawsuits would follow in Texas EnergizedLib Nov 22 #87
There is a TX chapter of ACLU - TBF Nov 22 #93
OP is on the right track. except theres more to it than electorate being merely "uninformed" though. It's that theyve Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 22 #88
Don't completely abandon civility EnergizedLib Nov 22 #89
This and the generation bought into the most is gen-x. The generation with the least amount of ... uponit7771 Nov 22 #92
None of it's true. BLAME DEMOCRATS says the sheep herder: Blaaaaaaaame Democrats elite establishment betsuni Nov 22 #90
It's them, not us ThoughtCriminal Nov 22 #91
How long will it take for idiots to realize they were conned? ecstatic Nov 22 #94
They won't realize until after it's too late EnergizedLib Nov 23 #95
Folks voting for the dotard had short memories IzzaNuDay Nov 23 #99
No matter who is president, America will confront a crisis EnergizedLib Nov 23 #103
You could see that online and some families/associates. duncang Nov 23 #101
The people who voted for him don't care about tariffs, the economy, immigration or anything else. valleyrogue Nov 23 #104
I think what happened EnergizedLib Nov 23 #106
The Israel / Palestine conflict ecstatic Nov 23 #113
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