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EnergizedLib

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5. We're not the same country we were before this nightmare

Fri Nov 22, 2024, 02:50 PM

Nov 2024

I mean, I’m not sure how much we have to tweak in terms of policy, doesn’t have to be a complete overhaul.

What we do need, however, is to find a way to get our message out, get people more engaged and push back harder against the right wing propaganda machine.

People got conned in 2016, conned even harder in 2024.

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I'm not completely convinced we're the problem [View all] EnergizedLib Nov 2024 OP

We have an uninformed, propagandized electorate. Basso8vb Nov 2024 #1

Exactly EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #2

This plus kerouac2 Nov 2024 #10

' I mean, ignorance is a choice' EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #11

It's not a choice. De-education is happening. live love laugh Nov 2024 #97

When people are Googling if Biden dropped out EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #98

Add being cell phone mesmerized to the mix. live love laugh Nov 2024 #100

And if people (myself included) are so addicted to their phones EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #102

And don't forget that idiotic new math crap. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #105

Yup, and I've been saying it's the problem for 15 years. Initech Nov 2024 #17

For 15 years? Wow EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #28

Fox has been a problem since the 2000 election. Initech Nov 2024 #35

I remember the Glenn Beck nonsense EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #36

Actually, it's been more like 40 years. eom BComplex Nov 2024 #65

The blame game has very "look what you made me do" abusive vibes. RockRaven Nov 2024 #3

Hell no! It's the same shit every election cycle. Initech Nov 2024 #19

Let's start building up more leftist media and podcasts EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #25

That's exactly right. F*ck that. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2024 #30

Bingo. Abusers always blame their victims. yardwork Nov 2024 #41

The trauma of the election hasn't even begun yet. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #4

We're not the same country we were before this nightmare EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #5

You're pretending there will be some kind if consistency... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #7

People were asking after the election EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #8

Sometimes, when people won't listen, Erda Nov 2024 #6

I hope there is a midterm EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #9

Propaganda is so strong Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #12

Because of the powerful propaganda machine EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #13

So many people are ignorant about economics, and believed that prices... keep_left Nov 2024 #18

The fact real wages went up under Biden was reported like twice Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #20

The corporate media is largely to blame EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #23

Yep. Let's not forget all those man-on-the-street interviews... keep_left Nov 2024 #24

That was depressing to read EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #26

So spot on. He always nails it. brush Nov 2024 #37

When people are too stupid to realize their pockets are bulging with extra cash, not much hope on messaging them. MichMan Nov 2024 #111

Lower prices deflation EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #22

Our country's ugly streak is deeper and wider than I thought HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #14

I'm not sure about the majority EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #15

Let's face it, the fault is not that of the center-left/and left. We live in a racist, misogynist majority nation. brush Nov 2024 #16

Racism and misogyny undoubtedly exist in this nation EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #21

Agreed. And would you say the other part of the problem is the spectre of fascism? brush Nov 2024 #27

The other part of the problem is the uninformed electorate EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #29

Have you heard of trump's latest pronouncement of taking back the colleges from... brush Nov 2024 #39

Yes, I have EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #43

They'll blame the democrats for releasing the leopards geardaddy Nov 2024 #57

And then when they finally wake up EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #60

I don't think many of them have the ability to wake up geardaddy Nov 2024 #66

They will if and only if it affects them EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #67

Yes, I agree with this. geardaddy Nov 2024 #70

If TFG said the sky is green his cult would have believed it. Raven123 Nov 2024 #31

People got crushed in 2020 EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #33

Apparently not. Raven123 Nov 2024 #52

Nothing has done more to damage our country than a decades-long deluge of Republican propaganda. W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #32

And Reagan and ending the Fairness Doctrine EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #34

Elections aren't decided by a committee of tenured professors at Harvard WarGamer Nov 2024 #38

Buyer's remorse by settling in EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #40

How many people actually Googled that? Mariana Nov 2024 #96

Agree on some points BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #42

What to learn EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #44

I think those are solid points BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #45

Thank You EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #47

Anyone with an educated perspective on recent history and fact-based news is called "elitist." So yes, the ancianita Nov 2024 #46

Confirmation bias and propaganda EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #48

Right, but it's about WHO has convinced folks about what they need to keep confirming that we need to watch out for. ancianita Nov 2024 #59

Who is "we"? LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #49

It's as simple as this. Some people you can tell not to stick the metal fork in the electrical outlet. Ray Bruns Nov 2024 #50

I'd have thought they learned in 2020 and 2021 EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #54

Racism and misogyny, We can't change "hearts and minds" but we can change laws and the culture by WINNING. usonian Nov 2024 #51

I don't think Christian Nationalism and theocracy are popular EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #56

People are voting their prejudices and electing Christian Nationalism and theocracy. usonian Nov 2024 #61

And then they realize EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #62

I only linked half the picture, to fit better with your comment on Christian Nationalism and theocracy usonian Nov 2024 #68

I've seen that before EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #69

Agree! Not only uninformed, but deliberately mis- and dis-informed. CountMyVote4Reality Nov 2024 #53

So, if the news is fake, what's fake about it? EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #55

Many say Fox News is fake. It's just an extension of that. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #107

Let news organizations that haven't settled for $787 million EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #108

I suppose. Hope they get sold off too. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #109

Why? So Elon can buy MSNBC? EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #110

The problem is we have a sadistic, psychotic, vindictive and hostile propaganda outlet... Initech Nov 2024 #58

Spot on! Phoenix61 Nov 2024 #63

I think it's still mainly racism and misogyny. The "uninformed" bit is more "I won't listen to things that go against .. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #64

Gas was pretty high in 2018 EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #71

It's not a question of "blame." It's what we need to do to win next time. iemanja Nov 2024 #72

As I would love to run for president in 2028, I have ideas EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #76

About half the people in the U.S.A. are ignorant fuckwits or sociopaths hunter Nov 2024 #73

Nailed it MaineBlueBear Nov 2024 #74

People want their abortions, but they voted Republicans EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #77

Agreed Tweedy Nov 2024 #75

Call out the corporate media EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #78

Yeah. I think the responsible culprits are at Tweedy Nov 2024 #81

Fox News already paid one settlement EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #83

Five minutes of Fox News Tweedy Nov 2024 #112

Tariffs lower prices the same way Mexico paid for the wall IronLionZion Nov 2024 #79

But they would own it EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #80

repukes have access to the same information we all do Skittles Nov 2024 #82

They can't use JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #84

No sympathy for them EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #86

These dumbfucks are outlawing abortions, cutting themselves out of healthcare, and TBF Nov 2024 #85

I'd sure hope lawsuits would follow in Texas EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #87

There is a TX chapter of ACLU - TBF Nov 2024 #93

OP is on the right track. except theres more to it than electorate being merely "uninformed" though. It's that theyve Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2024 #88

Don't completely abandon civility EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #89

This and the generation bought into the most is gen-x. The generation with the least amount of ... uponit7771 Nov 2024 #92

None of it's true. BLAME DEMOCRATS says the sheep herder: Blaaaaaaaame Democrats elite establishment betsuni Nov 2024 #90

It's them, not us ThoughtCriminal Nov 2024 #91

How long will it take for idiots to realize they were conned? ecstatic Nov 2024 #94

They won't realize until after it's too late EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #95

Folks voting for the dotard had short memories IzzaNuDay Nov 2024 #99

No matter who is president, America will confront a crisis EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #103

You could see that online and some families/associates. duncang Nov 2024 #101

The people who voted for him don't care about tariffs, the economy, immigration or anything else. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #104

I think what happened EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #106

The Israel / Palestine conflict ecstatic Nov 2024 #113