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valleyrogue

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104. The people who voted for him don't care about tariffs, the economy, immigration or anything else.

Sat Nov 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

Nov 23

They voted for Trump because like him they are sexists and racists and he makes them proud of it.

You cannot, repeat, CANNOT reason with these people--EVER. If they ever change their minds, it will be on their own accord.

Those who voted for him are the issue, or rather are to blame for the results, not our lack of "messaging" or lack of appealing to sexists and racists because we can't "fix" them. It is not our job to change their minds because their minds are made up. There are also other things at play. There were some 8 million FEWER people who voted for Harris than for Biden. WHY is that the case? Did that many voters die between 2020 and 2024? Were they that turned off by Harris and Walz? Or was there some kind of rigging in the swing states that made the implausibility of Trump winning all of them plausible?

More important, why are so many people not bothering to register to vote or registered but didn't vote in the first place? I loathe these people even more than those who voted for Trump. There is no excuse not to be registered to vote or not to vote. NONE.

THAT is what we should be focusing on, not trying to "fix" the unfixable.

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I'm not completely convinced we're the problem [View all] EnergizedLib Nov 22 OP

We have an uninformed, propagandized electorate. Basso8vb Nov 22 #1

Exactly EnergizedLib Nov 22 #2

This plus kerouac2 Nov 22 #10

' I mean, ignorance is a choice' EnergizedLib Nov 22 #11

It's not a choice. De-education is happening. live love laugh Nov 23 #97

When people are Googling if Biden dropped out EnergizedLib Nov 23 #98

Add being cell phone mesmerized to the mix. live love laugh Nov 23 #100

And if people (myself included) are so addicted to their phones EnergizedLib Nov 23 #102

And don't forget that idiotic new math crap. jimfields33 Nov 23 #105

Yup, and I've been saying it's the problem for 15 years. Initech Nov 22 #17

For 15 years? Wow EnergizedLib Nov 22 #28

Fox has been a problem since the 2000 election. Initech Nov 22 #35

I remember the Glenn Beck nonsense EnergizedLib Nov 22 #36

Actually, it's been more like 40 years. eom BComplex Nov 22 #65

The blame game has very "look what you made me do" abusive vibes. RockRaven Nov 22 #3

Hell no! It's the same shit every election cycle. Initech Nov 22 #19

Let's start building up more leftist media and podcasts EnergizedLib Nov 22 #25

That's exactly right. F*ck that. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 22 #30

Bingo. Abusers always blame their victims. yardwork Nov 22 #41

The trauma of the election hasn't even begun yet. Think. Again. Nov 22 #4

We're not the same country we were before this nightmare EnergizedLib Nov 22 #5

You're pretending there will be some kind if consistency... Think. Again. Nov 22 #7

People were asking after the election EnergizedLib Nov 22 #8

Sometimes, when people won't listen, Erda Nov 22 #6

I hope there is a midterm EnergizedLib Nov 22 #9

Propaganda is so strong Johnny2X2X Nov 22 #12

Because of the powerful propaganda machine EnergizedLib Nov 22 #13

So many people are ignorant about economics, and believed that prices... keep_left Nov 22 #18

The fact real wages went up under Biden was reported like twice Johnny2X2X Nov 22 #20

The corporate media is largely to blame EnergizedLib Nov 22 #23

Yep. Let's not forget all those man-on-the-street interviews... keep_left Nov 22 #24

That was depressing to read EnergizedLib Nov 22 #26

So spot on. He always nails it. brush Nov 22 #37

When people are too stupid to realize their pockets are bulging with extra cash, not much hope on messaging them. MichMan Nov 23 #111

Lower prices deflation EnergizedLib Nov 22 #22

Our country's ugly streak is deeper and wider than I thought HereForTheParty Nov 22 #14

I'm not sure about the majority EnergizedLib Nov 22 #15

Let's face it, the fault is not that of the center-left/and left. We live in a racist, misogynist majority nation. brush Nov 22 #16

Racism and misogyny undoubtedly exist in this nation EnergizedLib Nov 22 #21

Agreed. And would you say the other part of the problem is the spectre of fascism? brush Nov 22 #27

The other part of the problem is the uninformed electorate EnergizedLib Nov 22 #29

Have you heard of trump's latest pronouncement of taking back the colleges from... brush Nov 22 #39

Yes, I have EnergizedLib Nov 22 #43

They'll blame the democrats for releasing the leopards geardaddy Nov 22 #57

And then when they finally wake up EnergizedLib Nov 22 #60

I don't think many of them have the ability to wake up geardaddy Nov 22 #66

They will if and only if it affects them EnergizedLib Nov 22 #67

Yes, I agree with this. geardaddy Nov 22 #70

If TFG said the sky is green his cult would have believed it. Raven123 Nov 22 #31

People got crushed in 2020 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #33

Apparently not. Raven123 Nov 22 #52

Nothing has done more to damage our country than a decades-long deluge of Republican propaganda. W_HAMILTON Nov 22 #32

And Reagan and ending the Fairness Doctrine EnergizedLib Nov 22 #34

Elections aren't decided by a committee of tenured professors at Harvard WarGamer Nov 22 #38

Buyer's remorse by settling in EnergizedLib Nov 22 #40

How many people actually Googled that? Mariana Nov 23 #96

Agree on some points BannonsLiver Nov 22 #42

What to learn EnergizedLib Nov 22 #44

I think those are solid points BannonsLiver Nov 22 #45

Thank You EnergizedLib Nov 22 #47

Anyone with an educated perspective on recent history and fact-based news is called "elitist." So yes, the ancianita Nov 22 #46

Confirmation bias and propaganda EnergizedLib Nov 22 #48

Right, but it's about WHO has convinced folks about what they need to keep confirming that we need to watch out for. ancianita Nov 22 #59

Who is "we"? LymphocyteLover Nov 22 #49

It's as simple as this. Some people you can tell not to stick the metal fork in the electrical outlet. Ray Bruns Nov 22 #50

I'd have thought they learned in 2020 and 2021 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #54

Racism and misogyny, We can't change "hearts and minds" but we can change laws and the culture by WINNING. usonian Nov 22 #51

I don't think Christian Nationalism and theocracy are popular EnergizedLib Nov 22 #56

People are voting their prejudices and electing Christian Nationalism and theocracy. usonian Nov 22 #61

And then they realize EnergizedLib Nov 22 #62

I only linked half the picture, to fit better with your comment on Christian Nationalism and theocracy usonian Nov 22 #68

I've seen that before EnergizedLib Nov 22 #69

Agree! Not only uninformed, but deliberately mis- and dis-informed. CountMyVote4Reality Nov 22 #53

So, if the news is fake, what's fake about it? EnergizedLib Nov 22 #55

Many say Fox News is fake. It's just an extension of that. jimfields33 Nov 23 #107

Let news organizations that haven't settled for $787 million EnergizedLib Nov 23 #108

I suppose. Hope they get sold off too. jimfields33 Nov 23 #109

Why? So Elon can buy MSNBC? EnergizedLib Nov 23 #110

The problem is we have a sadistic, psychotic, vindictive and hostile propaganda outlet... Initech Nov 22 #58

Spot on! Phoenix61 Nov 22 #63

I think it's still mainly racism and misogyny. The "uninformed" bit is more "I won't listen to things that go against .. muriel_volestrangler Nov 22 #64

Gas was pretty high in 2018 EnergizedLib Nov 22 #71

It's not a question of "blame." It's what we need to do to win next time. iemanja Nov 22 #72

As I would love to run for president in 2028, I have ideas EnergizedLib Nov 22 #76

About half the people in the U.S.A. are ignorant fuckwits or sociopaths hunter Nov 22 #73

Nailed it MaineBlueBear Nov 22 #74

People want their abortions, but they voted Republicans EnergizedLib Nov 22 #77

Agreed Tweedy Nov 22 #75

Call out the corporate media EnergizedLib Nov 22 #78

Yeah. I think the responsible culprits are at Tweedy Nov 22 #81

Fox News already paid one settlement EnergizedLib Nov 22 #83

Five minutes of Fox News Tweedy Nov 23 #112

Tariffs lower prices the same way Mexico paid for the wall IronLionZion Nov 22 #79

But they would own it EnergizedLib Nov 22 #80

repukes have access to the same information we all do Skittles Nov 22 #82

They can't use JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #84

No sympathy for them EnergizedLib Nov 22 #86

These dumbfucks are outlawing abortions, cutting themselves out of healthcare, and TBF Nov 22 #85

I'd sure hope lawsuits would follow in Texas EnergizedLib Nov 22 #87

There is a TX chapter of ACLU - TBF Nov 22 #93

OP is on the right track. except theres more to it than electorate being merely "uninformed" though. It's that theyve Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 22 #88

Don't completely abandon civility EnergizedLib Nov 22 #89

This and the generation bought into the most is gen-x. The generation with the least amount of ... uponit7771 Nov 22 #92

None of it's true. BLAME DEMOCRATS says the sheep herder: Blaaaaaaaame Democrats elite establishment betsuni Nov 22 #90

It's them, not us ThoughtCriminal Nov 22 #91

How long will it take for idiots to realize they were conned? ecstatic Nov 22 #94

They won't realize until after it's too late EnergizedLib Nov 23 #95

Folks voting for the dotard had short memories IzzaNuDay Nov 23 #99

No matter who is president, America will confront a crisis EnergizedLib Nov 23 #103

You could see that online and some families/associates. duncang Nov 23 #101

The people who voted for him don't care about tariffs, the economy, immigration or anything else. valleyrogue Nov 23 #104

I think what happened EnergizedLib Nov 23 #106

The Israel / Palestine conflict ecstatic Nov 23 #113