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meadowlander

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74. And locked Catholics out of jobs, housing and the political process for decades.

Sun Nov 24, 2024, 11:14 PM

Nov 24

Only landowners got to vote in Northern Ireland until 1969 which incentivized the Protestant minority to make it almost impossible for Catholics to buy property which led to mass unemployment and homelessness with no spending on social services approved by politicians who were basically all Protestants.

"One person, one vote" was what the IRA was fighting for. Something I would hope seems like a no-brainer to people living in modern democracies.

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Madness everywhere! I'm in an Irish pub in Atlanta and newspaper cuttings on the wall show they celebrate the IRA! [View all] Doodley Nov 24 OP

I was once at a St. Patrick's party at a bar in New York where it turned out they were raising money Scrivener7 Nov 24 #1

wow... i had no idea. BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 24 #20

In the late 90's Docreed2003 Nov 24 #63

My ex's mother, a 5th generation Irish American, wnylib Nov 25 #89

lol WhiskeyGrinder Nov 24 #2

What Pub and what Neighrhood? Raine1967 Nov 24 #3

Not joking. I thought maybe this is just America! I lived in England most my life. I know many Americans Doodley Nov 24 #6

Senator Joe Biden soandso Nov 24 #35

I was in County Down the day in 1981 when Bobby Sands died visiting relatives for the 1st and only time. PufPuf23 Nov 24 #52

What a story! I bet it there were some scary moments. Thanks for sharing. Doodley Nov 24 #59

That could be troubles.ome. Abolishinist Nov 24 #4

I guess you've never spent much time in Boston or NYC's most traditional Irish pubs. hlthe2b Nov 24 #5

As I said in another reply, they have a "Remembering the hunger strikers" poster among newspaper cuttings that Doodley Nov 24 #8

The support for the ira, a terrorist organization Meowmee Nov 24 #12

Thank you. The support seems to be here on this thread! I am "naive" because I am shocked to see sympathizers. Doodley Nov 24 #43

You will almost never get through to this type of person Meowmee Nov 24 #45

That is the difference between American media, even back then, and the British media. Even though the UK has Doodley Nov 24 #50

I don't like the BBC or the Guardian anymore Meowmee Nov 24 #75

Who is sympathizing? I think that people are just commenting on wnylib Nov 25 #90

I certainly did not intend to imply you were a sympathizer, but there are the "both sides" type posts here, Doodley Nov 26 #91

In fact, I just read a post that says the IRA were freedom fighters, not terrorists. Pretty disgusting. Doodley Nov 26 #92

The violence was generally rejected; the cause of the IRA, not so much except by Protestants and English. hlthe2b Nov 24 #14

And "Black 47" wasn't just a bar on Second Avenue. Scrivener7 Nov 24 #19

No. Indeed. hlthe2b Nov 24 #21

Stop stirring up s*hit OutNow Nov 24 #7

Please read my previous reply, and please don't accuse me of stirring any pots. I don't support the IRA. Do you? Doodley Nov 24 #10

Do you really think the IRA is widely & actively operating today 30 years after the Peace Accords were signed? hlthe2b Nov 24 #16

I'm happy to answer your questions. Doodley Nov 24 #22

One of my two masters degrees before I went into medicine was in history and I did hlthe2b Nov 24 #27

What have I written that is inaccurate according to your superior knowledge? Could you be more patronizing? Doodley Nov 24 #31

I get that you are defensive. I will leave the thread--hoping you WILL hlthe2b Nov 24 #34

You can't answer my question. You basically claimed I don't know what I'm talking about. You Doodley Nov 24 #36

You've shown no inclinication to listen. So, at a later date if you would like to have a constructive discourse, sure. hlthe2b Nov 24 #39

Listen to what? I'm waiting for you to provide one fact that you claim I got wrong. Again you insult me. Apology please. Doodley Nov 24 #41

First time in an Irish American pub then? meadowlander Nov 24 #9

No the first, but don't frequent them! Doodley Nov 24 #23

Seriously. H2O Man Nov 24 #60

LOL n/t leftstreet Nov 24 #11

Where? Lithos Nov 24 #13

O'Reilly's, Sandy Springs (not auto parts!) Doodley Nov 24 #24

Nice Lithos Nov 24 #32

I'd be interested to hear what you think. You might get a lot of insults like I have had if you take issue though! Doodley Nov 24 #69

Freedom fighters Arazi Nov 24 #15

Sorry, but Sinn Fein never got much more than 13% of the Northern Ireland vote during the troubles. The IRA was a Doodley Nov 24 #26

A genocide Doodley. 600 years of monstrous occupation Arazi Nov 24 #30

What was the "horrific oppression" or "genocide" during the troubles? Doodley Nov 24 #70

Disenfranchisement of Catholics meadowlander Nov 24 #78

Every Irish bar in NYC collected money for the IRA Prairie Gates Nov 24 #17

Up the rebels! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 24 #18

This post comes across as terribly naive Maeve Nov 24 #25

The IRA were terrorists and were supported by a small percentage of people in Northern Ireland. I am naive if I'm not Doodley Nov 24 #29

Are we not talking about old, yellowed newspaper clippings? Xavier Breath Nov 24 #37

No. They are not yellowed. Would it be okay to put Nazi symbolism up in a public place, or conferate flags, or support Doodley Nov 24 #56

Wow, overreact much? Xavier Breath Nov 24 #66

The Unionists were also terrorists and the British government was oppressive Maeve Nov 24 #49

Which bit justifies the IRA killing and maiming innocent people? Which bit of history don't I understand as well as you? Doodley Nov 24 #53

The part where Unionists and Brit gov. also killed innocents Maeve Nov 24 #55

And locked Catholics out of jobs, housing and the political process for decades. meadowlander Nov 24 #74

You are kinder than me. H2O Man Nov 24 #62

I've spent 20 years studying the issues Maeve Nov 24 #65

I have family H2O Man Nov 24 #81

I wish we could sit down and talk...your family history is fascinating Maeve Nov 25 #85

1 person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. mopinko Nov 24 #28

Don't pretend that the British government didn't bear some responsibility for the violence dflprincess Nov 24 #33

... yonder Nov 24 #38

That's my signature line. greatauntoftriplets Nov 24 #48

It's as fine a seal as the promise it bears. yonder Nov 25 #87

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Xolodno Nov 24 #40

I hope you left. Now, never go back there. Iggo Nov 24 #42

One could always tell what side the bar was by the whiskey they sold Historic NY Nov 24 #44

In the 1990's, both were bought by a FRENCH company Maeve Nov 24 #51

Nothing surprising about that Cirsium Nov 24 #46

They had a "Remembering the hunger strikers" poster, paying tribute to Bobby Sands and other hunger strikers. Doodley Nov 24 #47

You should've put that in the OP. Iggo Nov 24 #54

I will do it now. Thanks! Doodley Nov 24 #61

And the Brits were angels. And the Black and Tan were choir boys. NoRethugFriends Nov 24 #57

My bet - Someone at the pub has friends or relatives who are in the IRA. SupportSanity Nov 24 #58

Is this The Onion? H2O Man Nov 24 #64

My mother's side of the family came from Ireland soandso Nov 24 #67

Extremely common DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 24 #68

Thanks for sharing. Good story about your friend's cousin! The Brits heard that funding for the IRA came from US. Doodley Nov 24 #71

I worked for a property management company at that time soandso Nov 24 #73

Soandso, I said I would remember your name when you were so courteous on another thread. You mix Doodley Nov 24 #77

Wouldn't go that far, lol soandso Nov 24 #79

I dunno, I cheered when they rocketed 10 Downing Street. Voltaire2 Nov 24 #72

And the next year, ten percent of those who voted in Northern Ireland, voted for Sinn Fein. It was an act of terrorism. Doodley Nov 24 #76

I have a friend who went into a bar to get a pop and he evidently ordered the *right* Irish whiskey. LudwigPastorius Nov 24 #80

Many people, including some in her own government, whathehell Nov 24 #82

I'm delighted with the responses to your hostility to Irish unity OutNow Nov 25 #83

these were not unity, these were murderous terror: Celerity Nov 25 #84

My late husband was from Ireland CountAllVotes Nov 25 #86

This isn't a new thing re Irish Pubs in the U.S. especially the ones that were started up by IRA and supporters. msfiddlestix Nov 25 #88

I wonder if I ever saw you play at the pubs in S.F. CountAllVotes Nov 26 #93

Mostly at the Plough. I think I did play Ireland's 32 once, but usually was always the Plough, or at the Star and Plough msfiddlestix Nov 26 #94

Lots of great memories from your post CountAllVotes Nov 26 #95

There were great memories, did you play? msfiddlestix Nov 26 #96

Yes, I am a musician CountAllVotes Nov 26 #97