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mr715

(999 posts)
11. Question Everything
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:57 PM
Nov 26

An important sentiment.

Thank you for this.

From my perspective it is extraordinarily difficult to accept political loss. I had a professor when I was an undergrad that was a soviet exile. He said our national sport is elections, and it holds from an emotional perspective. It differs from sports obviously, in that there are real world ramifications for political losses. We are typically going to be empathic and forward thinking, and so we are more sensitive to injustice and malicious actors.

Part of the issue is just how grotesque the Trump agenda is, and how he was able to wear it on his sleeve without consequence. What this tells me is that there is a very large part of the electorate (larger than I thought) that prefers confrontation to governance.

In many ways I think this loss corroborates what we learned when HRC lost (the electoral college) in 2016 -- the leading edge of the democratic left does not message to voters in a particularly effective way.

What is the solution? Do we find it at the neoliberal center? Was the Harris-Cheney coalition not enough?

Do we surrender our identity as the party that speaks to the marginalized and instead adopt a populist posture?

I don't know what the Democratic party's identity is in the wake of Trumpism. Typically, it is easier to be in the resistance. However this election cycle informs us that that isn't sufficient to win elections. And if we can't win, we're irrelevant.

Who leads our party, do you think? Not who runs. Who is the intellectual and philosophical leader.


MR

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You are entitled to your feelings [View all] question everything Nov 26 OP
I agree with you. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #1
They love Trump's condescension... lame54 Nov 26 #31
One of the biggest obstacles in winning back rural voters is news access. bearsfootball516 Nov 26 #2
Most towns and villages now have decent internet access. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #3
Internet access doesn't help because of troll farms. haele Nov 26 #16
That's not entirely correct... MiHale Nov 26 #19
What do their city dwelling and suburban cousins watch with highspeed access? TheKentuckian Nov 26 #61
Yeah, we got to get them NewsMax, Joe Rogan, and brain rot from TikTok TheKentuckian Nov 26 #59
I can't trust the woman in Minnesota JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #4
I don't understand this post soandso Nov 26 #71
ACA helps rural voters; education grants help rural voters; funding research helps farmers Prairie Gates Nov 26 #5
Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, they deserve everything they get at this point. I don't plan to make nice with them. Vinca Nov 26 #7
Farmers, most of whom voted for the orange turd, are going to find out the hard way. Lunabell Nov 26 #28
Whatever the case, we can't keep bleeding voters. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #10
I don't blame the Latino Community JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #12
Spot on PJMcK Nov 26 #14
That is true, that 'weekenders' do bring a lot of positive economics to a rural area. If these areas didn't SWBTATTReg Nov 26 #54
People who love viscous ruthless rapist traitor criminal psychopaths want our respect. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #6
I think its condescending to indulge outright stupidity. Blues Heron Nov 26 #8
agreed... I'll just add, this isn't the Democratic Party of 20 years ago... WarGamer Nov 26 #9
30 years ago mr715 Nov 26 #17
Question Everything mr715 Nov 26 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 26 #13
Thanks mr715 Nov 26 #15
Your welcome JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #21
Strictly strategic mr715 Nov 26 #25
But the Party shouldn't lie to black folks JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #32
Opinion on Biden? mr715 Nov 26 #34
I absolutely love him! JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #42
I bet you won't mr715 Nov 26 #45
Wait, what? ShazzieB Nov 26 #58
It is in code Keepthesoulalive Nov 26 #60
No mr715 Nov 26 #63
To put a fine point on it mr715 Nov 26 #35
You are not annoying JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #43
Thanks n/t mr715 Nov 26 #46
They want black folks to be invisible again. Keepthesoulalive Nov 26 #62
Who is they? mr715 Nov 26 #65
The folks that think we should not talk about social issues Keepthesoulalive Nov 26 #68
Understood. mr715 Nov 26 #69
If you are going to strategically chuck us under the bus TheKentuckian Nov 26 #40
I surely do mr715 Nov 26 #41
There are people from my home town who are Trump supporters. LisaM Nov 26 #23
Student Loans mr715 Nov 26 #30
I think they should be forgiven too. LisaM Nov 26 #38
It is surprising to me mr715 Nov 26 #39
why would it have? Haven't we chased the mirage of young voters enough for the past 50 years for it to sink in? thebigidea Nov 26 #64
God I'm getting old mr715 Nov 26 #67
It is not a matter of looking down even Meowmee Nov 26 #18
Ever since the Kennedy-Nixon debate, politics has been called a beauty contest, at least in the entertainment sense. usonian Nov 26 #20
There are two rules of human behavior that are oddly elusive for some Sympthsical Nov 26 #22
You can lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink. onecaliberal Nov 26 #24
Farming is gonna be depressing... Mustellus Nov 26 #26
Do some look down on rural voters. Sure Hassler Nov 26 #27
This point is always conveniently ignored. And here's a question: would those peoples' opinions about Scrivener7 Nov 26 #53
For many the only even halfway tolerable city in the nation is Salt Lakes City. TheKentuckian Nov 26 #55
Those rural Kentuckians hatingbon Louisville sound familiar to me. ShazzieB Nov 26 #73
Post mortems are essential and not always comfortable for some. Passages Nov 26 #29
Class based issues win over identity group issues. Class based issues appeal to a larger audience. jalan48 Nov 26 #33
I live with these rural folks. Keepthesoulalive Nov 26 #57
If Fox told the actual truth relayerbob Nov 26 #36
I've had a belly-full of Democrat-bashing over the election results. Paladin Nov 26 #37
What do rural voters want? KT2000 Nov 26 #44
The country is extremely polarized, this was done by extremist media, beginning with Rush Limbaugh lees1975 Nov 26 #47
Septic Tank Vote BurnDoubt Nov 26 #48
A lot to unpack here Aviation Pro Nov 26 #49
There is no farm voting bloc Cirsium Nov 26 #50
A certain freedom results from the fact that those people have fucked up our country so royally. Scrivener7 Nov 26 #51
Are we allowed to respond to the way they talk about us? wryter2000 Nov 26 #52
Liberals have never had the Rural Voter maxsolomon Nov 26 #56
it's almost as if there's a huge propaganda operation against cities and coasts thebigidea Nov 26 #66
There's no other changes to make Blue_Tires Nov 26 #70
I have never seen anyone say "fuck rural voters: perhaps it;s a feeling of similar weight, but saying that is weird msfiddlestix Nov 26 #72
This was a comment posted here responding to a post of mine question everything Nov 26 #75
I live with them , Keepthesoulalive Nov 27 #77
I believe people are entitled to their feelings. EndlessWire Nov 26 #74
Personally I would love to hear what will improve rural economies Raven123 Nov 26 #76
once again Skittles Nov 27 #78
I have to disagree, strongly Tesha Nov 27 #79
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