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ForgedCrank

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20. Is this

Wed Nov 27, 2024, 07:46 PM

Nov 27

really how we are going to behave when we don't get our way?
Really. Lets promote segregation because we can't get everything we want. We need "those people" to go live somewhere else.
This is getting embarrassing.

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Is it time? The case for a soft secession. [View all] paleotn Nov 27 OP

Its simple, i strongly disagree, kozar Nov 27 #1

Same here. The world changed on us. paleotn Nov 27 #4

You don't move people. They move themselves wnylib Nov 27 #21

The partition of India. paleotn Nov 28 #87

Sometimes people are moved Cirsium Nov 28 #93

That's what we do in KCMO. we don't leftyladyfrommo Nov 28 #82

Debt enid602 Nov 27 #2

We can figure it out. paleotn Nov 27 #3

Give it all to the red states. Aristus Nov 27 #5

How do we do that if we're the minority? onenote Nov 27 #7

We'll just say we're taking half, and still give it all to them. Aristus Nov 27 #9

We're not the minority. That's the thing. paleotn Nov 27 #17

We'll be in the minority if the issue is secession. onenote Nov 27 #18

I agree , kozar Nov 27 #10

It won't be a north/south divide but as President U. S. Grant said in during is presidency... brush Nov 28 #70

The new country starts at zero Polybius Nov 27 #62

New country will not start at zero kansasobama Nov 28 #89

But the dept will start at zero, unless it is negotiated in the breakup Polybius Nov 28 #90

Where would my state, Virginia, end up? onenote Nov 27 #6

Then what is? We simply can't live together anymore. paleotn Nov 27 #8

Do we compromise and live with fascists who suppress us? kansasobama Nov 27 #14

People in the states that you mentioned wnylib Nov 27 #22

What makes you think the 'split' would be by states? Much more likely to be cities and inner ring suburbs vs kelly1mm Nov 27 #30

What makes you think what you suggest is possible in the real world? onenote Nov 27 #52

Oh I don't think ANY of this secession talk is possible. I do think as a thought exercise it is kelly1mm Nov 27 #54

You asked, "Why would the split be by states?" wnylib Nov 28 #75

I think you pointed to the problems of a state based secession that I alluded to. We no longer have a state kelly1mm Nov 28 #77

So say that happened... 2naSalit Nov 27 #11

Those militaries in the middle would have wnylib Nov 27 #24

I don't... 2naSalit Nov 27 #27

Just watched a movie, The First Texan, with Joel Mccrea bluestarone Nov 27 #12

The seeds have already been sown kansasobama Nov 27 #13

I've called us the "Worst Generation." I stand by it. paleotn Nov 27 #15

I agree 200% kansasobama Nov 27 #16

I think there's enough blame to go around. yorkster Nov 27 #49

I recommend all DUers read the entire article. I agree sinkingfeeling Nov 27 #19

Is this ForgedCrank Nov 27 #20

Can't get everything we want? Cirsium Nov 27 #23

The problem with fascism qazplm135 Nov 28 #78

Dude, they're destroying our country. Our democracy. The fundamental vision of what America is and was. paleotn Nov 28 #84

There will be no secession Fiendish Thingy Nov 27 #25

Only by force. roamer65 Nov 27 #32

The Supreme Court ruled on it after the war ITAL Nov 27 #59

Texas v. White would have to be overturned by the Supreme Court, andI doubt that will ever happen. LudwigPastorius Nov 27 #63

So they said of Roe v Wade. roamer65 Nov 28 #68

I never said that about Roe, nor did most who post regularly post here. In fact, its reversal was expected once... LudwigPastorius Nov 28 #72

Feeling like I'm living in an enemy country I have no shits to give for fascist USA yaesu Nov 27 #26

Why are the people claiming to be in favor of this 'plan' thinking it will be split by regions or states? Blue 'America' kelly1mm Nov 27 #28

Bingo DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 27 #46

Logistical nightmare to keep the cities water/power/transportation networks up and running. Think kelly1mm Nov 27 #47

Don't forget Greensboro, Raleigh, Charlotte, Durham, etcetera JanMichael Nov 28 #81

For sure! I was concentrating on western cities (and big ones at that) as I think CA has the ability (although not the kelly1mm Nov 28 #97

The red states are nothing but parasites. The blue states are the ones footing the bill for them. hadEnuf Nov 27 #29

I don't think you are properly weighing how close some blue states are. TheKentuckian Nov 27 #48

It's too early as the scumbags haven't even taken office yet anyway. Americans need their noses in the dirt hadEnuf Nov 27 #60

That sums it up well. Succinct and to the point. nt Frank D. Lincoln Nov 27 #58

Definitely time to switch back to confederation from federation. roamer65 Nov 27 #31

Article 5 of the Constitution allows for the States to call for a new Constitutional Convention. However, kelly1mm Nov 27 #33

No convention required. roamer65 Nov 27 #34

No, they cannot. See Texas v White (1868). nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #38

It would take another SCOTUS ruling. roamer65 Nov 27 #39

You get right on that then ..... at least you backed off of the 10th Amendment as your basis. An Article 5 kelly1mm Nov 27 #40

No. roamer65 Nov 27 #42

You may want to read Texas v White. The 10th Amendment argument was presented in that case. nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #44

Roe was presented in 1973. roamer65 Nov 27 #50

Great! You are all set then! Have CA secede and run it up the old flag pole to see what happens! nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #51

Secede. roamer65 Nov 28 #69

Correct. On both! Editing. nt kelly1mm Nov 28 #71

Why would this court change for the left to secede? FBaggins Nov 28 #83

This is not 1865 Hekate Nov 27 #36

Nah. roamer65 Nov 27 #37

Oh for gods' sake Hekate Nov 27 #35

When you look at the current state of public education and how they're shoving Christianity down students' Yavin4 Nov 27 #41

The best and brightest young people will just leave the US before any split happens. Yavin4 Nov 27 #43

Living in a beautiful blue state I have always thought of our relationship with red states as a bad marriage. OMGWTF Nov 27 #45

What makes you think that the split will be by state? Does your 'blue' state have areas that are red? Why do kelly1mm Nov 27 #57

Following Baron2024 Nov 27 #53

Wow. Four years ago, we won the presidency with 81 million votes. onenote Nov 27 #55

I think you mean 81 million Polybius Nov 27 #65

Post Roe overturn, in the 2022 US House national vote, we lost by 3+ million, nearly 6 million w/o California Celerity Nov 30 #99

When do we get to eat the rich? JoseBalow Nov 27 #56

How do we do that when Frank D. Lincoln Nov 27 #61

Make for the large intestine. All will be made clear then. JoseBalow Nov 27 #67

Borders are going to be tricky... egduj Nov 27 #64

Oklahoma is the only state that is entirely Red Polybius Nov 27 #66

Only RI and MA are totally blue. So what this means is there will be significant opposition in even solidly 'Blue' kelly1mm Nov 28 #80

the irony is that nobody would want to live in magat America, ecstatic Nov 28 #73

I like the outside the box thinking: Everybody says "We're so divided, how can we come together?" Prairie Gates Nov 28 #74

"them" ... that's the problem. live love laugh Nov 28 #76

Tell them that. If you can squeeze some sense into them, I'd tell you to run for office. paleotn Nov 28 #85

I have thought of it and mentioned after 2016 election in a post and another here recently Meowmee Nov 28 #79

"Peace iin our time" Progressive dog Nov 28 #86

The Court struck down ISL theory Sympthsical Nov 28 #88

Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 28 #95

As i stated in another post this is my home Asa13 Nov 28 #91

Our Constitution acts against us kansasobama Nov 28 #96

There are mechanisms to change the constitution. For sweeping changes an Article 5 Convention of States kelly1mm Nov 28 #98

politically it makes sense -- geographically it's unworkable cadoman Nov 28 #92

Yugoslavia Cirsium Nov 28 #94