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62. The new country starts at zero

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Wed Nov 27, 2024, 11:37 PM

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Is it time? The case for a soft secession. [View all] paleotn Nov 27 OP

Its simple, i strongly disagree, kozar Nov 27 #1

Same here. The world changed on us. paleotn Nov 27 #4

You don't move people. They move themselves wnylib Nov 27 #21

The partition of India. paleotn Nov 28 #87

Sometimes people are moved Cirsium Nov 28 #93

That's what we do in KCMO. we don't leftyladyfrommo Nov 28 #82

Debt enid602 Nov 27 #2

We can figure it out. paleotn Nov 27 #3

Give it all to the red states. Aristus Nov 27 #5

How do we do that if we're the minority? onenote Nov 27 #7

We'll just say we're taking half, and still give it all to them. Aristus Nov 27 #9

We're not the minority. That's the thing. paleotn Nov 27 #17

We'll be in the minority if the issue is secession. onenote Nov 27 #18

I agree , kozar Nov 27 #10

It won't be a north/south divide but as President U. S. Grant said in during is presidency... brush Nov 28 #70

The new country starts at zero Polybius Nov 27 #62

New country will not start at zero kansasobama Nov 28 #89

But the dept will start at zero, unless it is negotiated in the breakup Polybius Nov 28 #90

Where would my state, Virginia, end up? onenote Nov 27 #6

Then what is? We simply can't live together anymore. paleotn Nov 27 #8

Do we compromise and live with fascists who suppress us? kansasobama Nov 27 #14

People in the states that you mentioned wnylib Nov 27 #22

What makes you think the 'split' would be by states? Much more likely to be cities and inner ring suburbs vs kelly1mm Nov 27 #30

What makes you think what you suggest is possible in the real world? onenote Nov 27 #52

Oh I don't think ANY of this secession talk is possible. I do think as a thought exercise it is kelly1mm Nov 27 #54

You asked, "Why would the split be by states?" wnylib Nov 28 #75

I think you pointed to the problems of a state based secession that I alluded to. We no longer have a state kelly1mm Nov 28 #77

So say that happened... 2naSalit Nov 27 #11

Those militaries in the middle would have wnylib Nov 27 #24

I don't... 2naSalit Nov 27 #27

Just watched a movie, The First Texan, with Joel Mccrea bluestarone Nov 27 #12

The seeds have already been sown kansasobama Nov 27 #13

I've called us the "Worst Generation." I stand by it. paleotn Nov 27 #15

I agree 200% kansasobama Nov 27 #16

I think there's enough blame to go around. yorkster Nov 27 #49

I recommend all DUers read the entire article. I agree sinkingfeeling Nov 27 #19

Is this ForgedCrank Nov 27 #20

Can't get everything we want? Cirsium Nov 27 #23

The problem with fascism qazplm135 Nov 28 #78

Dude, they're destroying our country. Our democracy. The fundamental vision of what America is and was. paleotn Nov 28 #84

There will be no secession Fiendish Thingy Nov 27 #25

Only by force. roamer65 Nov 27 #32

The Supreme Court ruled on it after the war ITAL Nov 27 #59

Texas v. White would have to be overturned by the Supreme Court, andI doubt that will ever happen. LudwigPastorius Nov 27 #63

So they said of Roe v Wade. roamer65 Nov 28 #68

I never said that about Roe, nor did most who post regularly post here. In fact, its reversal was expected once... LudwigPastorius Nov 28 #72

Feeling like I'm living in an enemy country I have no shits to give for fascist USA yaesu Nov 27 #26

Why are the people claiming to be in favor of this 'plan' thinking it will be split by regions or states? Blue 'America' kelly1mm Nov 27 #28

Bingo DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 27 #46

Logistical nightmare to keep the cities water/power/transportation networks up and running. Think kelly1mm Nov 27 #47

Don't forget Greensboro, Raleigh, Charlotte, Durham, etcetera JanMichael Nov 28 #81

For sure! I was concentrating on western cities (and big ones at that) as I think CA has the ability (although not the kelly1mm Nov 28 #97

The red states are nothing but parasites. The blue states are the ones footing the bill for them. hadEnuf Nov 27 #29

I don't think you are properly weighing how close some blue states are. TheKentuckian Nov 27 #48

It's too early as the scumbags haven't even taken office yet anyway. Americans need their noses in the dirt hadEnuf Nov 27 #60

That sums it up well. Succinct and to the point. nt Frank D. Lincoln Nov 27 #58

Definitely time to switch back to confederation from federation. roamer65 Nov 27 #31

Article 5 of the Constitution allows for the States to call for a new Constitutional Convention. However, kelly1mm Nov 27 #33

No convention required. roamer65 Nov 27 #34

No, they cannot. See Texas v White (1868). nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #38

It would take another SCOTUS ruling. roamer65 Nov 27 #39

You get right on that then ..... at least you backed off of the 10th Amendment as your basis. An Article 5 kelly1mm Nov 27 #40

No. roamer65 Nov 27 #42

You may want to read Texas v White. The 10th Amendment argument was presented in that case. nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #44

Roe was presented in 1973. roamer65 Nov 27 #50

Great! You are all set then! Have CA secede and run it up the old flag pole to see what happens! nt kelly1mm Nov 27 #51

Secede. roamer65 Nov 28 #69

Correct. On both! Editing. nt kelly1mm Nov 28 #71

Why would this court change for the left to secede? FBaggins Nov 28 #83

This is not 1865 Hekate Nov 27 #36

Nah. roamer65 Nov 27 #37

Oh for gods' sake Hekate Nov 27 #35

When you look at the current state of public education and how they're shoving Christianity down students' Yavin4 Nov 27 #41

The best and brightest young people will just leave the US before any split happens. Yavin4 Nov 27 #43

Living in a beautiful blue state I have always thought of our relationship with red states as a bad marriage. OMGWTF Nov 27 #45

What makes you think that the split will be by state? Does your 'blue' state have areas that are red? Why do kelly1mm Nov 27 #57

Following Baron2024 Nov 27 #53

Wow. Four years ago, we won the presidency with 81 million votes. onenote Nov 27 #55

I think you mean 81 million Polybius Nov 27 #65

Post Roe overturn, in the 2022 US House national vote, we lost by 3+ million, nearly 6 million w/o California Celerity Nov 30 #99

When do we get to eat the rich? JoseBalow Nov 27 #56

How do we do that when Frank D. Lincoln Nov 27 #61

Make for the large intestine. All will be made clear then. JoseBalow Nov 27 #67

Borders are going to be tricky... egduj Nov 27 #64

Oklahoma is the only state that is entirely Red Polybius Nov 27 #66

Only RI and MA are totally blue. So what this means is there will be significant opposition in even solidly 'Blue' kelly1mm Nov 28 #80

the irony is that nobody would want to live in magat America, ecstatic Nov 28 #73

I like the outside the box thinking: Everybody says "We're so divided, how can we come together?" Prairie Gates Nov 28 #74

"them" ... that's the problem. live love laugh Nov 28 #76

Tell them that. If you can squeeze some sense into them, I'd tell you to run for office. paleotn Nov 28 #85

I have thought of it and mentioned after 2016 election in a post and another here recently Meowmee Nov 28 #79

"Peace iin our time" Progressive dog Nov 28 #86

The Court struck down ISL theory Sympthsical Nov 28 #88

Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 28 #95

As i stated in another post this is my home Asa13 Nov 28 #91

Our Constitution acts against us kansasobama Nov 28 #96

There are mechanisms to change the constitution. For sweeping changes an Article 5 Convention of States kelly1mm Nov 28 #98

politically it makes sense -- geographically it's unworkable cadoman Nov 28 #92

Yugoslavia Cirsium Nov 28 #94