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Mike Nelson

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32. It's the only workable...

Fri Nov 29, 2024, 02:46 PM

Nov 29

... solution. Otherwise, Vlad will invade again an a couple years. But I'm not sure Vlad will agree... he feels Ukraine is already "part of Russia," and keeps invading as Ukraine gets mor chummy with EU and NATO.

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Sky News Breaking: Zelenskyy suggests he's prepared to end Ukraine war in return for NATO membership [View all] Dennis Donovan Nov 29 OP

President Biden get it done! MacKasey Nov 29 #1

Doesn't work that way... not that fast. WarGamer Nov 29 #5

Finally, four years after this war, we may finally see an end. jimfields33 Nov 29 #38

More like two years and about nine months. brush Nov 29 #59

Way too long, but you're correct Deuxcents Nov 29 #68

Seems like forever. jimfields33 Nov 29 #75

Now! ananda Nov 29 #55

NATO is Putin's red line womanofthehills Nov 29 #71

Why does he have to agree to anything? ThePartyThatListens Nov 29 #79

The point of this would be to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #83

Crazy Alaninahammock Nov 29 #2

Several NATO countries are prepared delisen Nov 29 #3

NATO Alaninahammock Nov 29 #11

Why wouldn't the US go along? mzmolly Nov 29 #18

WWIII Alaninahammock Nov 29 #23

Which is why Russia wouldn't push into a NATO territory Mountainguy Nov 29 #30

So we let Putin take Europe? mzmolly Nov 29 #34

No one said that Alaninahammock Nov 29 #37

So exactly what are saying? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #41

Nukes Alaninahammock Nov 29 #43

So once again--we should give up and genuflect before Putin? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #44

I'm saying there is a line we will not cross Alaninahammock Nov 29 #45

In other words, Putin gets to keep the Ukrainian territory that wnylib Nov 29 #47

Probably Alaninahammock Nov 29 #53

What about nukes? EX500rider Nov 29 #48

Is he a madman? Alaninahammock Nov 29 #50

One can be bloodthirsty & yet not a madman EX500rider Nov 29 #51

We would have stopped him by now Alaninahammock Nov 29 #52

Every time we cross one of his "red lines" nothing happens, all bluster EX500rider Nov 29 #54

Oh I am aware of this Alaninahammock Nov 29 #57

Russian talking point that doesn't belong here uponit7771 Nov 29 #77

So Russian can't beat Ukraine but you think they will try & take on 32 more countries at the same time? EX500rider Nov 29 #46

I'm saying Alaninahammock Nov 29 #49

NATO is moving fast to fill the former US role delisen Nov 29 #33

That's not how NATO works Alaninahammock Nov 29 #39

Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #40

NATO Alaninahammock Nov 29 #42

It probably is you Emrys Nov 29 #73

NATO officials have already stated that Ukraine will become a member when the war ends. PortTack Nov 29 #56

Should we give up? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Nov 29 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Nov 29 #10

Huh? Alaninahammock Nov 29 #17

No. NATO membership would be part of a deal with Russia ceding the Eastern half of the country. WarGamer Nov 29 #7

Or Would It? I Am Confident That The War College Has Gamed Exponential Pertubations Of This Very Scenario MayReasonRule Nov 29 #9

Hardly. Disaffected Nov 29 #36

Putin doesn't want that. He's gotten Crimea, a route to warm water all year, and other eastern Ukranian lands. brush Nov 29 #64

As I predicted... WarGamer Nov 29 #4

You predicted Russia would not invade. Kingofalldems Nov 29 #12

Can't be right every time... WarGamer Nov 29 #13

You predicted that Ukraine wants to join NATO? NT Mike 03 Nov 29 #15

of course and that NATO membership would be part of a deal with Russia to end the war WarGamer Nov 29 #21

I guess Alaninahammock Nov 29 #28

will there be a wall? like east/west Berlin? FirstLight Nov 29 #29

"Poland is next" is nonsense. WarGamer Nov 29 #31

Agreed. Putin would get Crimea and other eastern Ukainian territory. brush Nov 29 #67

Shame Russia would keep Crimea. RubyRose Nov 29 #70

Look at a map... WarGamer Nov 29 #72

Going to have to disagree with you a bit. Xolodno Nov 29 #74

I'm Pleased For The Decision To Potentially Be Guided By Biden's Adminstration MayReasonRule Nov 29 #16

doesn't happen that fast. It's a long process. WarGamer Nov 29 #22

"One can not become a member of NATO until" speak easy Nov 29 #63

Well, you've been all over the shop on Ukraine for the last couple of years, Emrys Nov 29 #76

I was sure wrong about the invasion... that's for sure. WarGamer Nov 30 #87

This has been under discussion for quite some time. Mike 03 Nov 29 #14

I Wholeheartedly Agree MayReasonRule Nov 29 #19

I'll wait for confirmation. WhiteTara Nov 29 #20

Video at link of Zelenskyy saying it. n/t Dennis Donovan Nov 29 #24

Sky News (UK) is owned by NBC parent Comcast (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #26

I don't think Putin would be remotely interested muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #25

Eastern Ukraine will be th ebuffer zone he's been after. He'll jump at the deal. WarGamer Nov 29 #27

Putin Thinks He Has Unstoppable Weapons So None Of This Interests Him DallasNE Nov 29 #69

It's the only workable... Mike Nelson Nov 29 #32

Wow! Watch for the reaction from Hungary and Turkey surfered Nov 29 #35

They've earned their membership. Joinfortmill Nov 29 #58

wasn't one of the reasons Putin invaded - cab67 Nov 29 #60

Z would not be offering this if Harris won HereForTheParty Nov 29 #61

Zelensky is fully aware of who and what Trump is peggysue2 Nov 29 #62

recent poll... 56% of Ukrainians favor a negotiated end to the war. Only 30% favor forever war. WarGamer Nov 29 #81

Someone needs to take Putin out. alarimer Nov 29 #65

Ukraine shouldn't battle Russia alone meow2u3 Nov 29 #66

This is reasonable and a gut call for Biden and Trump, if either say no then its the US holding the war open and not Z uponit7771 Nov 29 #78

Hungary kept Sweden out for as long as they wanted. Fish700 Nov 29 #80

now that drumpf has been re-elected, the only deal Ukraine is getting will be European aide, if their lucky. Takket Nov 29 #82

Will "New Ukraine" be completely landlocked? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 30 #84

I heard on Friday (NPR?) that by the "tens of thousands" Ukranian troops were deserting leaving whole sections Peregrine Took Nov 30 #85

Sounds like Russian propaganda Dennis Donovan Nov 30 #86