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peggysue2

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62. Zelensky is fully aware of who and what Trump is

Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:22 PM

Nov 29

In addition, I've read Ukrainian citizens have become increasingly war weary, with good reason. The destruction has been massive, deaths have mounted up and the endless uncertainty must be soul ripping. I've had a Ukrainian immigrant doing a number of house improvements lately. He and a friend just finished off a new shed for us. He left in 2010 because he couldn't stand the endless chaos. Sadly, he still has family there. His grandmother lives in the occupied area. The bitter irony, he said, is she survived the Nazis in WWII, only to end up trapped under Russian control.

Trump could easily serve Ukraine up on a silver platter for his BFF Vlad. This way, Zelensky ends the suffering, places protections into place and survives to fight another day.

Will Putin go for it? The NATO inclusion will stick in Putin's craw but Russia isn't making out very well either. Then again, Putin may wait two months for Trump to offer more than Zelensky could ever agree to.

Impossible, tragic situation.

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Sky News Breaking: Zelenskyy suggests he's prepared to end Ukraine war in return for NATO membership [View all] Dennis Donovan Nov 29 OP

President Biden get it done! MacKasey Nov 29 #1

Doesn't work that way... not that fast. WarGamer Nov 29 #5

Finally, four years after this war, we may finally see an end. jimfields33 Nov 29 #38

More like two years and about nine months. brush Nov 29 #59

Way too long, but you're correct Deuxcents Nov 29 #68

Seems like forever. jimfields33 Nov 29 #75

Now! ananda Nov 29 #55

NATO is Putin's red line womanofthehills Nov 29 #71

Why does he have to agree to anything? ThePartyThatListens Nov 29 #79

The point of this would be to get Putin to stop attacking Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #83

Crazy Alaninahammock Nov 29 #2

Several NATO countries are prepared delisen Nov 29 #3

NATO Alaninahammock Nov 29 #11

Why wouldn't the US go along? mzmolly Nov 29 #18

WWIII Alaninahammock Nov 29 #23

Which is why Russia wouldn't push into a NATO territory Mountainguy Nov 29 #30

So we let Putin take Europe? mzmolly Nov 29 #34

No one said that Alaninahammock Nov 29 #37

So exactly what are saying? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #41

Nukes Alaninahammock Nov 29 #43

So once again--we should give up and genuflect before Putin? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #44

I'm saying there is a line we will not cross Alaninahammock Nov 29 #45

In other words, Putin gets to keep the Ukrainian territory that wnylib Nov 29 #47

Probably Alaninahammock Nov 29 #53

What about nukes? EX500rider Nov 29 #48

Is he a madman? Alaninahammock Nov 29 #50

One can be bloodthirsty & yet not a madman EX500rider Nov 29 #51

We would have stopped him by now Alaninahammock Nov 29 #52

Every time we cross one of his "red lines" nothing happens, all bluster EX500rider Nov 29 #54

Oh I am aware of this Alaninahammock Nov 29 #57

Russian talking point that doesn't belong here uponit7771 Nov 29 #77

So Russian can't beat Ukraine but you think they will try & take on 32 more countries at the same time? EX500rider Nov 29 #46

I'm saying Alaninahammock Nov 29 #49

NATO is moving fast to fill the former US role delisen Nov 29 #33

That's not how NATO works Alaninahammock Nov 29 #39

Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #40

NATO Alaninahammock Nov 29 #42

It probably is you Emrys Nov 29 #73

NATO officials have already stated that Ukraine will become a member when the war ends. PortTack Nov 29 #56

Should we give up? Kingofalldems Nov 29 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Nov 29 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Nov 29 #10

Huh? Alaninahammock Nov 29 #17

No. NATO membership would be part of a deal with Russia ceding the Eastern half of the country. WarGamer Nov 29 #7

Or Would It? I Am Confident That The War College Has Gamed Exponential Pertubations Of This Very Scenario MayReasonRule Nov 29 #9

Hardly. Disaffected Nov 29 #36

Putin doesn't want that. He's gotten Crimea, a route to warm water all year, and other eastern Ukranian lands. brush Nov 29 #64

As I predicted... WarGamer Nov 29 #4

You predicted Russia would not invade. Kingofalldems Nov 29 #12

Can't be right every time... WarGamer Nov 29 #13

You predicted that Ukraine wants to join NATO? NT Mike 03 Nov 29 #15

of course and that NATO membership would be part of a deal with Russia to end the war WarGamer Nov 29 #21

I guess Alaninahammock Nov 29 #28

will there be a wall? like east/west Berlin? FirstLight Nov 29 #29

"Poland is next" is nonsense. WarGamer Nov 29 #31

Agreed. Putin would get Crimea and other eastern Ukainian territory. brush Nov 29 #67

Shame Russia would keep Crimea. RubyRose Nov 29 #70

Look at a map... WarGamer Nov 29 #72

Going to have to disagree with you a bit. Xolodno Nov 29 #74

I'm Pleased For The Decision To Potentially Be Guided By Biden's Adminstration MayReasonRule Nov 29 #16

doesn't happen that fast. It's a long process. WarGamer Nov 29 #22

"One can not become a member of NATO until" speak easy Nov 29 #63

Well, you've been all over the shop on Ukraine for the last couple of years, Emrys Nov 29 #76

I was sure wrong about the invasion... that's for sure. WarGamer Nov 30 #87

This has been under discussion for quite some time. Mike 03 Nov 29 #14

I Wholeheartedly Agree MayReasonRule Nov 29 #19

I'll wait for confirmation. WhiteTara Nov 29 #20

Video at link of Zelenskyy saying it. n/t Dennis Donovan Nov 29 #24

Sky News (UK) is owned by NBC parent Comcast (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #26

I don't think Putin would be remotely interested muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #25

Eastern Ukraine will be th ebuffer zone he's been after. He'll jump at the deal. WarGamer Nov 29 #27

Putin Thinks He Has Unstoppable Weapons So None Of This Interests Him DallasNE Nov 29 #69

It's the only workable... Mike Nelson Nov 29 #32

Wow! Watch for the reaction from Hungary and Turkey surfered Nov 29 #35

They've earned their membership. Joinfortmill Nov 29 #58

wasn't one of the reasons Putin invaded - cab67 Nov 29 #60

Z would not be offering this if Harris won HereForTheParty Nov 29 #61

Zelensky is fully aware of who and what Trump is peggysue2 Nov 29 #62

recent poll... 56% of Ukrainians favor a negotiated end to the war. Only 30% favor forever war. WarGamer Nov 29 #81

Someone needs to take Putin out. alarimer Nov 29 #65

Ukraine shouldn't battle Russia alone meow2u3 Nov 29 #66

This is reasonable and a gut call for Biden and Trump, if either say no then its the US holding the war open and not Z uponit7771 Nov 29 #78

Hungary kept Sweden out for as long as they wanted. Fish700 Nov 29 #80

now that drumpf has been re-elected, the only deal Ukraine is getting will be European aide, if their lucky. Takket Nov 29 #82

Will "New Ukraine" be completely landlocked? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 30 #84

I heard on Friday (NPR?) that by the "tens of thousands" Ukranian troops were deserting leaving whole sections Peregrine Took Nov 30 #85

Sounds like Russian propaganda Dennis Donovan Nov 30 #86