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lapfog_1

(30,233 posts)
48. of course I knew that
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 12:48 AM
Nov 30

but my logic about the Spanish establishing colonies in the Americas ( most of South America... most of Central America, and part of North America ) were all Spanish colonies... My point was that both Turkeys and tamales were native to the Americas, but the colonies from Europe ( England and Spain and Portugal ) all decimated the natives ( actually much worse than mere decimated as that term means literally to reduce by one-tenth or to kill every tenth person in a group ).

So turning down a turkey dinner because it represents the evil colonists but instead eating tamales or tacos ( Hispanic food whose origins lie with the native Aztecs and possibly Inca civilizations ) is illogical in the extreme.

But everyone would love to educate me rather than see the Spanish as the same as the English as the true colonists of America... and I am guessing that is because it can't be because of white guilt of our joint white English ancestors wanting to have colonies and take land from some of MY other ancestors. However, I am not Native American because I am only 3/8ths native. I do have an aunt and cousins that live on reservations to this day but I don't count myself as Native.

I find the argument that only white people from northern Europe... as opposed to white people from southern Europe, are to blame for the colonies in America. Especially when we are all taught ( erroneously ) that "Columbus discovered America" but forget who it was that gave him the money to buy the ships and hire the crew.



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Is there a reason you invited him? Biophilic Nov 28 #1
He's not joining us. He sent this message via text. PeaceWave Nov 28 #2
Hope he just spends the holiday alone. Archae Nov 28 #7
tamales and enchiladas lapfog_1 Nov 28 #3
According to Wikipedia, tamales and enchiladas are both pre-Colombian, not Spanish muriel_volestrangler Nov 28 #5
However, SHOCKINGLY, we gringos have culturally appropriated these foodstuffs Hekate Nov 28 #21
corn was not introduced to Europe until the Columbian exchange, so it is your logic that is flawed, unfortunately Celerity Nov 30 #47
of course I knew that lapfog_1 Nov 30 #48
my reply was very narrow in focus, sorry if you thought I was making a general claim on the totality of your thoughts Celerity Nov 30 #49
Wow, he should of come to my house, no Thanksgiving RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 28 #4
Tell him to go to hell. Archae Nov 28 #6
if he came with it out of the blue it's just crass and counterproductive The Wandering Harper Nov 28 #8
Much of the "pro Palestinian" movement is performative bs JI7 Nov 28 #9
I don't think so womanofthehills Nov 28 #18
Most black women voted for Kamala Harris. What you say is performative bs JI7 Nov 28 #19
92% of us Voted for Harris JustAnotherGen Nov 28 #22
Well said DaBronx Nov 28 #30
Seriously. The problem is white people. Voltaire2 Nov 29 #39
White people who love myths malaise Nov 30 #52
The vast majority of black women Dorian Gray Nov 28 #26
"on social media - everyday you see more dead babies and kids Now we are seeing thousands of kids without arms and legs" EX500rider Nov 28 #28
Telegram and TikTok LeftInTX Nov 29 #38
The PutinGOP propaganda has been very successful. Irish_Dem Nov 28 #10
Your supposition is inexplicable. Big Blue Marble Nov 28 #12
Wrong. I do not see these same people protesting everywhere for dying US women. Irish_Dem Nov 28 #15
How do you know they are not? Big Blue Marble Nov 28 #16
It's phony bs . If they had real concern about Gaza they would focus on Gaza leadership JI7 Nov 28 #20
Of course you can care about all those things Dorian Gray Nov 28 #27
Perhaps you should ask an indigenous person their opinion. Big Blue Marble Nov 28 #11
Seeing as I've lived in a state chock full of IPs BannonsLiver Nov 29 #34
Lot of people celebrate it as a traditional fall feast newdeal2 Nov 28 #13
Don't forget to text him back that the arabic / islamic culture Meowmee Nov 28 #14
People forget about that part nycbos Nov 28 #29
You're trying too hard. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 28 #17
You need to tell your cousin to smuggle himself into Gaza Blue_Tires Nov 28 #23
And your brother demanded to make a pro trump speech for grace. Scrivener7 Nov 28 #24
The latter tenderfoot Nov 29 #36
DING DING DING! Prairie Gates Nov 29 #44
Way to be a stereotype, Pro Palestine Cousin. Dorian Gray Nov 28 #25
Some people ForgedCrank Nov 28 #31
I don't think they are angry at all. I think they enjoy useless shit like this JI7 Nov 29 #41
Your pro Palestinian cousin is not wrong ThePartyThatListens Nov 28 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Nov 29 #33
Things that didn't happen for $500 tenderfoot Nov 29 #35
Lol Turkey, corn, potatoes, squash, pumpkin, tomatoes LeftInTX Nov 29 #37
Chocolate. Crunchy Frog Nov 30 #50
This thread reminds me of confederate flag justifying. NT. Voltaire2 Nov 29 #40
You're calling us confederates? LeftInTX Nov 30 #45
No. Voltaire2 Nov 30 #46
Turkey is an indigenous species to North America. How can something indigenous be a symbol of colonialism? betsuni Nov 29 #42
Hmmmmm Prairie Gates Nov 29 #43
Did you ask to know more about the day he was referring to? Think. Again. Nov 30 #51
I've terminated all contact with some relatives for less. Paladin Nov 30 #53
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