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91. If the fix was in why did the exit polls largely mirror the actual results?

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So many down-ballot candidates outperforming Harris shows ... the fix was in [View all] Charging Triceratops Nov 29 OP

Kooky nonsense Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #1

Agree SCantiGOP Nov 29 #3

Never underestimate the ability of Democrats to be smug and complacent. elocs Dec 2 #170

Why is it kooky to suspect a criminal of committing crimes? bikes and bunnies Nov 29 #21

Except there's no evidence those elections were stolen EdmondDantes_ Nov 29 #26

that one is easy lapfog_1 Nov 30 #51

The thing we know for certain is, no people counted the votes, machines did questionseverything Nov 30 #53

You do realize that the polls were highly accurate right? EdmondDantes_ Nov 30 #69

I do not have a theory lapfog_1 Nov 30 #84

You're making too much sense Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #86

I tried posting Stephen Spoonamore's Duty to Warn letter Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #94

You are well aware the spoon guy is a proven liar. Why continue to spread his disinformation? tritsofme Nov 30 #96

Where was he proven to be a liar? Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #97

His bullet ballot "hypothesis" is a proven lie. It is mathematically impossible. tritsofme Nov 30 #99

That was an initial theory Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #100

It wasn't a mistake, he is a con-artist. It's a shame people are that gullible. tritsofme Nov 30 #102

Except that many other experts in cybersecurity agree enough to write to Harris. Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #104

Clicks. Internet fame. Maybe some rubes will give him money. tritsofme Nov 30 #106

Now where's YOUR evidence? ElementaryPenguin Nov 30 #127

Given that spoon guy has already lied and made nakedly false claims, I think it is fair to question his motives. tritsofme Nov 30 #131

Do you understand how elections are conducted? LiberalFighter Nov 30 #121

Explain how manipulating paper ballots would be difficult if no one is allowed to actually count them questionseverything Nov 30 #126

Post election audits Abnredleg Nov 30 #130

If they don't hand count the entire county mistakes maybe hidden questionseverything Nov 30 #133

The audit is open to the public Abnredleg Nov 30 #135

You and I will never agree, I believe in publicly countering at least the top two races questionseverything Nov 30 #141

I believe in hand counting the paper receipts Hope22 Nov 30 #146

Most people vote with paper ballots Abnredleg Nov 30 #149

Why are the insults necessary ? questionseverything Nov 30 #150

What insult? Abnredleg Nov 30 #154

And some precincts will include a hand count. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #162

There are no insiders involved in the counting as you suggest. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #161

Ballots are not counted by one person or political party LiberalFighter Nov 30 #160

And they include members of both political parties LiberalFighter Nov 30 #159

You think it isn't done. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #158

How can you get evidence without an investigation? Lunabell Nov 30 #95

While you're distracted with evidence free CT's Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #29

Thank you! Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #77

The percents are from different populations karynnj Nov 30 #90

a whole lot of low post count accounts seem pretty intent on stirring up arguments over this nonsense. Takket Nov 29 #23

Yup Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #30

Yeah, because you know better, right? Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #75

Indeed Stuckinthebush Nov 30 #63

They've always been here The Revolution Nov 30 #88

True. I remember those days Stuckinthebush Nov 30 #93

Check out Romanian elections/ Russia delisen Nov 30 #82

No ElementaryPenguin Nov 30 #125

Yeah throwing out campaign finance laws would do that ColinC Nov 29 #2

I think you're on to something. I still don't believe trump won all the swing states. brush Nov 29 #4

If the swing states had red governors, I'd agree. jimfields33 Nov 29 #27

Do you think the governor is overseeing the voting machines or the reporting page? questionseverything Nov 30 #54

In Michigan, Dems control the Governor, Sec. of State, and AG offices MichMan Nov 30 #68

And china hasn't hacked the NSA? questionseverything Nov 30 #73

Right, it doesn't compute. Something seems off. brush Nov 30 #85

I still can't figure out how some people in Wisconsin voted for Tammy Baldwin and Donald Trump. milestogo Nov 29 #42

What evidence do you have that "tens of thousands" of Wisconsin voters voted for Baldwin and Trump? onenote Nov 30 #49

I worked the polls. I know Dems, Repukes, Libertarians and Independents Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #76

I could understand a Trump/Casey vote by a PA Catholic who karynnj Nov 30 #129

Yes, voting for Balwin and Harris seems far more likely than Baldwin and trump, that does not compute to me. brush Nov 30 #83

Thank you yellow dahlia Nov 30 #144

In 2 elections, you have 4 candidates. You're ignoring that Baldwin beat a nobody muriel_volestrangler Dec 1 #168

Eric Hovde spent $100 million on this race. milestogo Dec 1 #169

Candidate choice matters dsc Nov 29 #5

Totally agree. He told us over and over how he was going to do it...because he said that's what the democrats did to him BComplex Nov 29 #6

We lost the Senate, didn't make any gain in governorships Kaleva Nov 29 #7

It's worth looking in to. Lunabell Nov 29 #8

Wisconsin is less than 30,000 votes difference questionseverything Nov 30 #55

Look at what the results were in the 2016 Wisconsin recount for comparison MichMan Nov 30 #67

Wisconsin doesn't do hand counts even for recounts questionseverything Nov 30 #132

Surely, you have an example of a previous hand count in an entire state that flipped 30,000 votes then. MichMan Nov 30 #140

The sc stopped the count in Florida but when the ballots were looked at questionseverything Nov 30 #142

Time's a wastin' with the deadline for certification coming up in a few weeks. MichMan Nov 30 #156

I tend to agree... Think. Again. Nov 29 #9

The government just recently announced china has hacked into the nsa network questionseverything Nov 30 #56

Yep. Think. Again. Nov 30 #60

More likely her color Henry203 Nov 29 #10

Slow down, there, Sparky! PSPS Nov 29 #11

I've wondered if Harris being a black woman might've led lots of inattentive voters to the conclusion... Beartracks Nov 29 #16

When I saw that "did Biden drop out"... I was like...wtf?! electric_blue68 Nov 29 #28

And Oswald acted alone Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #78

What harm could come out of recounting swing state ballots? Blue Owl Nov 29 #12

No harm should come of it, but some feel it would make us look "silly". hadEnuf Nov 29 #14

Better to look irresponsible!!!! Hope22 Nov 30 #122

Yikes! Is that the new conspiracy theory now? That Harris does not endorse these ridiculous fantasies only because tritsofme Nov 30 #124

Seriously what is with the conspiracy crap. Hope22 Nov 30 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 1 #165

Say it once again...... Hope22 Dec 1 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 1 #167

None at all Meowmee Nov 29 #19

They already do extensive post election audits Abnredleg Nov 30 #136

Not what is needed imo and no forensic investigation of software Meowmee Nov 30 #138

Most people vote with paper Abnredleg Nov 30 #157

No harm other than it costs tens of millions of dollars MichMan Nov 29 #20

You think saving our Democracy isn't worth "pissing away" some money??? Think. Again. Nov 29 #35

No, donors should not be exploited to placate conspiracy theory mongers. tritsofme Nov 30 #98

Verifying first-counts of extremely important and complex election results is not a waste of anything. Think. Again. Nov 30 #105

Then why has Harris not pursued this path? Why is Harris not seeking such recounts? tritsofme Nov 30 #107

You would have to ask her. Think. Again. Nov 30 #108

Nope. I don't have to ask her once or even twice to know that she has no interest in these goofy conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 30 #109

That's quite an assumption to make about what a sitting VP and Presidential candidate is thinking about. Think. Again. Nov 30 #112

No, it's actually not. As they say, actions speak louder than words. tritsofme Nov 30 #114

You've read quite a bit into her silence. Think. Again. Nov 30 #118

lol, you're right, maybe she is just waiting for the right moment to pounce and embrace all the goofiness? tritsofme Nov 30 #120

Frankly, when I think of the 2 conniving jamokes involed here - I can't think of anything BUT skulduggery! Peregrine Took Nov 30 #128

By federal law ballots and all election related materials must be kept for 22 months questionseverything Nov 30 #57

I agree: Hand Recount! bikes and bunnies Nov 29 #22

Ohhh, mannnn. I REMEMBER that. I was Devastated.... electric_blue68 Nov 29 #32

And Al Gore actually WON after the count was finished! Clouds Passing Nov 29 #43

😥 electric_blue68 Nov 29 #44

But let's move on, that was in the past, no need to revisit, it's over forget about it..... Clouds Passing Nov 30 #70

What was the original difference in votes? Kaleva Nov 30 #46

partially true but not as simple as you make it out: Wiz Imp Nov 30 #65

No harm at all and easy to do. egduj Nov 29 #25

Cool, that seems like a good deal to save our Democracy! Think. Again. Nov 29 #36

There's an idiom for that. egduj Nov 29 #41

Yes, if we were 100% sure the first-count outcome was correct, but without double-checking, that's impossible. Think. Again. Nov 29 #45

How much have you donated so far for a recount? Kaleva Nov 30 #47

You're correct, I DO actually believe this is a shared responsibility. Think. Again. Nov 30 #58

Well, if the election was slightly stolen, then we don't have to wait for the ... planetc Nov 29 #13

Yes! Think. Again. Nov 29 #38

Amen. Of paper ballots. planetc Nov 30 #74

Agreed! yellow dahlia Nov 30 #151

The shameful sexist racist ppl in this country brought us this...it really is that simple! PortTack Nov 29 #15

While I'm not certain that there wasn't some skullduggery Racism AND Sexism most likely played the bigger parts electric_blue68 Nov 29 #33

What was the undervote in swing states? The Wizard Nov 29 #17

Don't know... Think. Again. Nov 29 #39

How much have you spent? Kaleva Nov 30 #48

Yes, I have donated to the Harris/Walz (and other Blue) campaigns. Think. Again. Nov 30 #59

According to the Harris campaign website, donations under $41,300 are all allocated to the DNC, not towards a recount. MichMan Nov 30 #61

Oh, don't thank me, I did not donate a very large amount and... Think. Again. Nov 30 #66

In Wisconsin, it was slightly less than 1 percent. onenote Nov 30 #50

The voting and counting machines used in many states were made by the company ES&S spike jones Nov 29 #18

We were robed!!! Bonx Nov 29 #24

I agree the election was rigged with the help of the muskrat. kimbutgar Nov 29 #31

"I don't need your votes. I have plenty of votes." - tsf rubbersole Nov 29 #34

Down ballot candidates had a more intimate and frequently longer connection to voters than Kamala. dutch777 Nov 29 #37

Don't even blame Kamala here Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #110

I don't blame Kamala. Given a waaaayyy late start she kept it positive and acquitted herself well. Hind sight.... dutch777 Dec 1 #163

BS Groundhawg Nov 29 #40

Alrighty then...... But thanks for the Felon47 hashtag - I'll be using that GoneOffShore Nov 30 #52

Using the same logic, couldn't someone make the claim that it was actually the down ballot candidates that cheated? n/t MichMan Nov 30 #62

Don't start bringing logic into it. It will just confuse the conspiracy theorists. Wiz Imp Nov 30 #64

I'm always in favor of citizens doing hand counts in an open, transparent manner questionseverything Nov 30 #137

Study done at Rice University showed hand counts were correct only 58% of the time MichMan Nov 30 #145

Now you are talking about the toilet paper rolls added to the dres questionseverything Nov 30 #147

Why would anyone believe an academic study with scientific methodology over a wacky conspiracy theory, right ? MichMan Nov 30 #148

Stats for the "So many down-ballot candidates outperforming Harris", please muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #71

Stop. Fucking stop it. JFC, stop it with the red hat conspiracy theories. themaguffin Nov 30 #72

The only thing I question is what happened when they had the bomb threats Tribetime Nov 30 #79

...and I believe some of those polling places did not reopen. yellow dahlia Nov 30 #152

I'm starting to think the real trolls Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #80

Please explain your thread title about down ballot wins muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #101

They "did it" by controlling the media and the narrative. dawg Nov 30 #81

How do you explain ticket splitting before? ibegurpard Nov 30 #87

Nonsense karynnj Nov 30 #89

If the fix was in why did the exit polls largely mirror the actual results? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 30 #91

Are the down-ballot candidates mostly white and male? RandomNumbers Nov 30 #92

It shows some people did not want to vote for a Black woman. RandySF Nov 30 #103

I'm seeing the people don't want to vote for a black woman stuff on here Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #111

Lots of Trumpers still think there was tampering in 2020, it doesn't make it true. tritsofme Nov 30 #113

Trumpers lack logic Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #117

Except there has been no valid reasoning, it has been exclusively baseless conspiracy theories, exactly like Trumpers. tritsofme Nov 30 #119

Go Watch "The Great Hack" MrWowWow Nov 30 #115

lol this happened in 2020 with Trump. Self Esteem Nov 30 #116

Why be afraid to recount? Hope22 Nov 30 #123

Did you care about recounts in 2020? Self Esteem Nov 30 #143

I have been singing this same tune, over and over. yellow dahlia Nov 30 #134

I remember him saying: "We don't need your votes. We have plenty of votes." N/t CousinIT Nov 30 #139

And we know he always means what he says. Hope22 Nov 30 #155

True the Vote (plus the checkbook of Elon Musk) Kid Berwyn Dec 1 #164