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Kashkakat v.2.0

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8. Not sure what you mean by "fight" I want to see leadership that recognizes the gravity of the situation and

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:06 AM

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is laying the groundwork for being strong, visible opposition govt using every tool at its disposal - starting with,a s suggested in Atlantic - to proactively pardon everyone involved in legal proceedings or likely retribution targets. WE DO NOT NEED any more wallowing in allt he coulda woulda shoulda. All the things we supposedly did wrong and supposedly have to do better - good grief do we even know theres gonna be a 2028 election? I like to think so, but hat is in the distant future and we have more immediate concerns. Oh, they might start working on this question - how do we we counteract propaganda and disinformation (which IMHO was the #1 factor in loss of election and which will only get worse.) And worse case sceneario -what do we do if fact-based communications go down?

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The Rude Pundit: Note to Democrats: We Have to See You Fight, Even If It's a Losing Cause [View all] babylonsister Dec 1 OP

Co-sign this JustAnotherGen Dec 1 #1

+1 dalton99a Dec 1 #5

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Buhbye! Lunabell Dec 1 #4

Oops I misunderstood your post, never mind Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2 #12

As Bill Clinton said of potential Democratic Party defectors, "Where are they going to go?" El-Capitan Dec 1 #6

They stay home. haele Dec 2 #63

Preach! Lunabell Dec 1 #3

THIS right here NotHardly Dec 2 #47

Send messages to the Democratic Party and whitehouse oldmanlynn Dec 1 #7

I don't have enough money for them Bettie Dec 2 #67

Hear Hear! OldBaldy1701E Dec 2 #73

Be seen and heard, everywhere, alone or in groups, especially out in the community supporting grassroots organizing Magoo48 Dec 3 #77

Yep! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 3 #78

Not sure what you mean by "fight" I want to see leadership that recognizes the gravity of the situation and Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2 #8

In my opinion DENVERPOPS Dec 2 #71

Spot on, as ever, RP. niyad Dec 2 #9

The biggest problem with the party is not "identity politics or" policy related. TRHST82 Dec 2 #10

I would agree with this - AND , its kind of an existential dilemma in that we have traditionally been Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2 #14

Agree 100%. However, we should have been dealing with the right-wing propaganda media takeover decades ago. hadEnuf Dec 2 #24

Agree - CNN is hardly perfect but moonscape Dec 2 #31

We always settle Cirsium Dec 2 #53

The power of the press belongs to those who own it Wicked Blue Dec 2 #30

Exactly. And another thing... malthaussen Dec 2 #35

Get the people who run the TOYOTA PR. They seem to be doing OK HUAJIAO Dec 2 #38

NAILED IT orangecrush Dec 2 #20

K&R spanone Dec 2 #11

Democrats should fight to win elections, not purity medals or sainthood dalton99a Dec 2 #13

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2 #59

Stop playing gentlemanly politics and showing political niceties. The repugs wrote the book on being shitty Hotler Dec 2 #15

+1. dalton99a Dec 2 #18

I'm not sure it would be SAFE for Democrats to attend the inauguration Wicked Blue Dec 2 #43

Too late Lee Botany Dec 2 #16

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more! Kid Berwyn Dec 2 #29

This hits the nail on the head and is SOOOO timely. HUAJIAO Dec 2 #39

You've nailed it! bluemom Dec 2 #17

And attack the right without mercy Cthulu on call Dec 2 #19

Heck, just shining a bright light on them Bettie Dec 2 #68

"Being decent to indecent people is a fool's game." SpankMe Dec 2 #21

We the base voted and will continue to vote Kaleva Dec 2 #22

Indeed... I see this mistake often. The "base" will always vote for Democrats * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2 #23

I'm pretty sure every DUer voted for Harris Kaleva Dec 2 #55

We absolutely did! Thus making his message and premise all the more insulting. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2 #70

Get rid of the people on the perimeter, guess what? The people behind them are now on the perimeter. Lancero Dec 2 #34

Who is attacking them? Kaleva Dec 2 #57

"The problem is with those on the perimeter" Lancero Dec 2 #60

I could be considered on the perimeter. Lunabell Dec 2 #62

Sister, can I agree with this. We need to see ANY kind of a fight. AllyCat Dec 2 #25

And Jamie Raskin I would say. And a few others Jasmine Love me some Jasmine!!! HUAJIAO Dec 2 #41

Yes, you are right. They have both been outspoken. AllyCat Dec 2 #46

On the money !!!!!!!!!!! HUAJIAO Dec 2 #56

Maybe they didn't. Ligyron Dec 2 #64

K&R - there's nothing to add. dchill Dec 2 #26

Reach across the aisle? the_liberal_grandpa Dec 2 #27

Reach across the aisle and punch them Wicked Blue Dec 2 #40

I am a yellow dog democrat. I am used to defeat. I will fight on. CapnSteve Dec 2 #28

Pretty subdued for Rude. malthaussen Dec 2 #32

I cant be the only one who has been pondering the possibility of Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2 #36

I like Joe, but he lacks the character to pull something like that, IMO. malthaussen Dec 2 #37

It is different - the rules have changed. Per Supreme Court now OK for a sitting prez to do whatever Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2 #50

The rules have changed, but the players have not. malthaussen Dec 2 #52

They can use the Section 3 disibility on others as well nuxvomica Dec 2 #33

Nailed it! karin_sj Dec 2 #42

Amen! We can't just let Fuckface and his Project 2025 bullshit steamroll us! Initech Dec 2 #44

Question about the Presidential pardons by the millions. Justice matters. Dec 2 #45

We are now the OPPOSITION party Wild blueberry Dec 2 #48

This will never happen. We don't know how to fight anymore. Too many corporate interests infesting the party. ZonkerHarris Dec 2 #49

Well said wendyb-NC Dec 2 #51

The don't fight back Dems abandoned Al Gore and surrendered in 2000 GoreWon2000 Dec 2 #54

Sorry just don't agree with this SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2 #58

Yup mac56 Dec 2 #61

Why assume Democrats aren't doing anything ? Why not think for yourself instead of waiting for Mommy and betsuni Dec 2 #65

I agree ThePartyThatListens Dec 2 #66

Personally, I don't want to see a democratic 'leader' (or most of them, not all). I am greatly disappointed, and I SWBTATTReg Dec 2 #69

No it should not be business as usual stage left Dec 2 #72

If you want one more reason, how about individual psychological well being? NowsTheTime Dec 2 #74

Yes just bluestateboomer Dec 3 #75

WE need to see YOU ... Fuck that shit. Klarkashton Dec 3 #76

Seems obvious one major problem is that they're not reacting that way Passages Dec 3 #79