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standingtall

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9. Agree with most of this
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:30 PM
Dec 4

However I think the references to States like Oklahoma were unnecessary, because they never were Democratic strongholds. Democrats haven't carried Oklahoma in a Presidential election sense Johnson in 1964 and even then it hadn't been carried sense 1948. West Virginia,Missouri,Kentucky and Iowa are all more interesting case studies. Michael Dukakis even carried West Virginia. Kentucky just lost the Democratic State legislature in 2017 in which they had held for 95 years. The collapse of the coal mining industry hurt us in West Virginia and Kentucky as the coal mines went so did a lot of union members. Missouri is the biggest mystery of all of them. They just voted for abortion rights on a ballot initiative and for minimum wage increases. So why on earth is Missouri a deep red State now? I don't get it. I think a big part of the problem in what use to be swing States or even former Democratic strongholds is we have run to many moderate/centrist candidates rolling with the punches instead of aggressively pushing back for the sake of winning the next election in which we usually lose anyway and thus contribute to accelerating the erosion of Democratic culture in those States.

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I would think it seems globally as well. nt woodsprite Dec 4 #1
RSO rso Dec 4 #2
You can count on it that they are going to try. JohnSJ Dec 4 #3
Money is speech. War is peace. 2+2 IS 5. Moostache Dec 4 #4
you awe singing my song, my and my gospel. And you are so correct about the phones msfiddlestix Dec 4 #16
I think the CIA/FBI need to up their game. travelingthrulife Dec 5 #23
It appears to be happening worldwide. ananda Dec 4 #5
A nice start might be if the Party starts listening to its own voters... PeaceWave Dec 4 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 4 #11
Listening to all its voters Retrograde Dec 4 #14
Oh bullshit. W_HAMILTON Dec 5 #20
What you are talking about is not the base. In fact they are the total opposite JI7 Dec 5 #22
There would have been no democratic collapse in Florida speak easy Dec 4 #7
yeah but back then Virginia was red and now its purple/blue MadameButterfly Dec 4 #8
I think this is a deep part of the problem Dave says Dec 4 #15
True Viginia has become a blue/purple State standingtall Dec 4 #17
Basically, we have to stop losing working class men MadameButterfly Dec 5 #18
Agree with most of this standingtall Dec 4 #9
Well, for Oklahoma, the Democratic Party was competitive in the 2000s in state government In It to Win It Dec 4 #10
Gosh, I wonder which party benfits from a multi-spectrum 24/7/365 propaganda apparatus... JHB Dec 4 #12
Democrats Can Survive Dlpger61 Dec 4 #13
they are 2 down in the House. Did great in NC etc etc. Let's not do this. themaguffin Dec 5 #19
Florida became more red becsuse A LOT of Republicans from other states JI7 Dec 5 #21
The red shift in Florida began with the Mariel boatlift. DavidDvorkin Dec 5 #24
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