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Dennis Donovan

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Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:41 PM Dec 4

The Atlantic / David Frum: The Sound of Fear on Air [View all]

The Atlantic / David Frum - (archived: https://archive.ph/dGh1r ) The Sound of Fear on Air

It is an ominous sign that Morning Joe felt it had to apologize for something I said.

By David Frum



December 4, 2024, 2:37 PM ET

This morning, I had an unsettling experience.

I was invited onto MSNBC’s Morning Joe to talk from a studio in Washington, D.C., about an article I’d written on Trump’s approach to foreign policy. Before getting to the article, I was asked about the nomination of Pete Hegseth as secretary of defense—specifically about an NBC News report that his heavy drinking worried colleagues at Fox News and at the veterans organizations he’d headed. (A spokesman for the Trump transition told NBC, “These disgusting allegations are completely unfounded and false, and anyone peddling these defamatory lies to score political cheap shots is sickening.” )

I answered by reminding viewers of some history:

In 1989, President George H. W. Bush nominated John Tower, senator from Texas, for secretary of defense. Tower was a very considerable person, a real defense intellectual, someone who deeply understood defense, unlike the current nominee. It emerged that Tower had a drinking problem, and when he was drinking too much he would make himself a nuisance or worse to women around him. And for that reason, his nomination collapsed in 1989. You don’t want to think that our moral standards have declined so much that you can say: Let’s take all the drinking, all the sex-pesting, subtract any knowledge of defense, subtract any leadership, and there is your next secretary of defense for the 21st century.


I told this story in pungent terms. It’s cable TV, after all. And I introduced the discussion with a joke: “If you’re too drunk for Fox News, you’re very, very drunk indeed.”

At the next ad break, a producer spoke into my ear. He objected to my comments about Fox and warned me not to repeat them. I said something noncommittal and got another round of warning. After the break, I was asked a follow-up question on a different topic, about President Joe Biden’s pardon of his son. I did not revert to the earlier discussion, not because I had been warned, but because I had said my piece. I was then told that I was excused from the studio chair. Shortly afterward, co-host Mika Brzezinski read an apology for my remarks.

A little bit earlier in this block there was a comment made about Fox News, in our coverage about Pete Hegseth and the growing number of allegations about his behavior over the years and possible addiction to alcohol or issues with alcohol. The comment was a little too flippant for this moment that we’re in. We just want to make that comment as well. We want to make that clear. We have differences in coverage with Fox News, and that’s a good debate that we should have often, but right now I just want to say there’s a lot of good people who work at Fox News who care about Pete Hegseth, and we will want to leave it at that.


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dear David, don't expect to see you again on Morning Joe lapfog_1 Dec 4 #1
IDK about anyone else, but I'm ready for "Morning Frum." dchill Dec 4 #2
We are becoming more like Russia and China every day. Irish_Dem Dec 4 #3
It's definitely beginning to feel this way. herding cats Dec 4 #7
I wish I was wrong too. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #36
Yup! They know the election was a sham and are doing their best to pretend it wasn't a coup. Botany Dec 4 #21
By flag-waving "patriots" no less Blue_Tires Dec 5 #41
Wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #43
Wtf was Mika trying to say? newdeal2 Dec 4 #4
Joe & Mika are grotesque, simply pathetic. Drum Dec 4 #5
Will Joe and Meek be heading to Fox to deal with hurt fee-fees? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 4 #6
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. Seeking Serenity Dec 4 #8
msnbc is chuck full of those types ThePartyThatListens Dec 5 #46
My goodness...they have gone full MAGA. TNNurse Dec 4 #9
I have never trusted Joe Scarborough. totodeinhere Dec 4 #10
And Joe was one of the point men in installing w and stopping the counting of the vote in Florida 2000 Botany Dec 4 #24
I have never watched their show and always thought he was arthritisR_US Dec 4 #27
You're absolutely right. I remember when Tucker Carlson was on MSNBC kysrsoze Dec 4 #26
Wow - they don't get it Nigrum Cattus Dec 4 #11
Yeah, they'll cry all the way to the bank. PSPS Dec 4 #16
I'd love to see him flash a gaping moon on his way off the stage. NBachers Dec 4 #12
They could give a crap about Fox hosts. CrispyQ Dec 4 #13
This is why I no longer watch Morning Joe dlk Dec 4 #14
When you've lost the media, it makes it very difficult to fight back. Jarqui Dec 4 #15
That's it. I will never tune in to that channel again. Demobrat Dec 4 #17
I'm done with MSNBC for awhile. I will resume at some point, Morning Joe has lost me tulipsandroses Dec 4 #18
Yikes! yellow dahlia Dec 4 #19
Joe and Mika can fuck right off. Never watched them. Never will. SunSeeker Dec 4 #20
I haven't turned on any cable news since MontanaMama Dec 4 #22
This Really Reminds Me Of McCarthyism DallasNE Dec 4 #23
That was when shame and decency mattered in most people's minds. wnylib Dec 5 #33
So, David Frum, barbtries Dec 4 #25
Well, I think this particular commentary was yorkster Dec 4 #28
i like also barbtries Dec 5 #29
Good point. The timing alone is powerful. yorkster Dec 5 #31
omg Meowmee Dec 5 #30
Manufacturing consent is what the great Noam Chomsky said about the mass media in 1988. jalan48 Dec 5 #32
Joe and Mika seem to be angling for a job tishaLA Dec 5 #34
From Frum, that's rich. czarjak Dec 5 #35
Pathetic to see them GROVEL BoRaGard Dec 5 #37
Scarborough just discussed this Dennis Donovan Dec 5 #38
CYA. intheflow Dec 5 #40
Well, I guess they don't mind losing even more viewers. intheflow Dec 5 #39
If nobody is fighting Trumpism anymore Blue_Tires Dec 5 #42
The MSM are all boot-licking cowards. Oneironaut Dec 5 #44
Ciao Joe and Mika... stollen Dec 5 #45
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