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MadameButterfly

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212. Being happy someone is dead is not the same as suggesting people go out and commit murder

Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:06 AM

Dec 2024

i am happy this is causing such outrage and publicity of the problem. In his death this man is doing more for humanity than he did in his life.
I'll save my mourning for the victims of his crimes. I don't condone their murders either.

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I'm Confused. So, When Is It OK to Shoot Someone in the Back on the Street? [View all] MineralMan Dec 2024 OP

Never, why would you ask? Think. Again. Dec 2024 #1

Are you sure no one has said that, or implied it? MineralMan Dec 2024 #7

it seems to me that you and a few others are really trying hard... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #18

Nope. I'm just pointing out a bit of a contradiction. MineralMan Dec 2024 #41

and many people disagree with your premise. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #50

And that's just fine, isn't it? MineralMan Dec 2024 #52

Seriously. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #54

Have you ever been shot in the back by someone you disagreed with on DU? Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #64

Nope. I haven't. MineralMan Dec 2024 #71

Well, you're talking about DUers shooting you in the back. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 2024 #218

It's not ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #79

I really, really, don't see that. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #106

Did you see the post that says the shooter should be treated as a "folk hero"? onenote Dec 2024 #183

no, I didn't, there are too many posts on this for me to keep up with.... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #188

Ditto iamateacher Dec 2024 #116

Well, the body of your own post claims it was good. Patton French Dec 2024 #104

What the poster doesn't realize is the CEO will be jimfields33 Dec 2024 #115

What laws are those? choie Dec 2024 #203

Whatever congress passed. Whatever the board of jimfields33 Dec 2024 #205

Not paying for some care isn't "preventing" care. Groundhawg Dec 2024 #229

Being happy someone is dead is not the same as suggesting people go out and commit murder MadameButterfly Dec 2024 #212

I think what people are attempting to conveying is,... magicarpet Dec 2024 #21

For all we know the shooter was a jilted lover or somethng. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #24

Let's not go too Fuks Newszy and blow things way out of proportion.. magicarpet Dec 2024 #42

...actually it would be perfectly okay. thomski64 Dec 2024 #86

And anywhere else for him to do it. The Supreme Court said so! DeeDeeNY Dec 2024 #128

Yea, PXR-5 Dec 2024 #181

A poster below said he was "fair game" Patton French Dec 2024 #114

I see a post that says... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #121

It appears that's what the poster implied. Patton French Dec 2024 #130

The response to this has been appalling mcar Dec 2024 #2

You got that right MustLoveBeagles Dec 2024 #232

Oh hypocrisy is quite common... WarGamer Dec 2024 #3

insurrection to keep Trump out of office? Skittles Dec 2024 #207

Looks like when you are paid big bucks multigraincracker Dec 2024 #4

Well ,... if you are djt and on 5th Avenue fire away..... magicarpet Dec 2024 #5

The obvious answer is 'never'. 33taw Dec 2024 #6

Yes. We're still not sure about the motivation. MineralMan Dec 2024 #9

I think trump and GOPers might answer, "Yes." I'm surprised at some Democrats for doing same. Silent Type Dec 2024 #8

Yeah. Me, too. MineralMan Dec 2024 #10

I haven't seen that here. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #19

You haven't been looking and dispite your effort I won't link to posts. That violates TOS. Silent Type Dec 2024 #94

It's my opinion that you are confusing what people feel about... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #98

Congress is responsible for the healthcare system we have. This guy -- even if an A-hole -- is operating within Silent Type Dec 2024 #105

Congress is also responsible for the massive gun availibility in the U.S. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #109

Exactly. But you are apparently willing to endorse the 2nd Amendment solution if you don't like someone. Silent Type Dec 2024 #149

I don't understand what you mean... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #174

No, although your posts do sound enabling/approving. BTW, where were you yesterday? Silent Type Dec 2024 #177

Do they? really? Think. Again. Dec 2024 #179

That's bs, most of us don't need rules to not be a monster questionseverything Dec 2024 #141

So are you endorsing the trumpian 2nd Amendment solution? Silent Type Dec 2024 #150

When your life and the lives of those you love are in danger Asa13 Dec 2024 #11

Self Defense or Defense of Others? MineralMan Dec 2024 #28

'That's pretty much universally accepted by societies' SamuelTheThird Dec 2024 #164

Do you honestly believe that man personally made all the sinkingfeeling Dec 2024 #67

Was he the one personally denying claims no Asa13 Dec 2024 #145

At my core, I'm against the death penalty. Dennis Donovan Dec 2024 #12

The guy who got it a couple days ago certainly deserved it Callie1979 Dec 2024 #17

Yep. Lunabell Dec 2024 #112

Yes. That is a core value for me, as well. MineralMan Dec 2024 #30

Agree 100 per cent. The death penalty is a barbarous relic. Celerity Dec 2024 #62

It is not OK - but KT2000 Dec 2024 #13

I have close personal knowledge of someone who died MineralMan Dec 2024 #37

I'm glad you agree that people can feel good when abusers, such as the dead guy, are stopped. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #45

fighting a denial of care KT2000 Dec 2024 #59

Exactly. intheflow Dec 2024 #175

Negligence is different from malign action. harumph Dec 2024 #191

Good answer pfitz59 Dec 2024 #134

Doctors at a medical web site comment section say the dead insurance executive brought it upon himself with rampant,... magicarpet Dec 2024 #193

+10 Emile Dec 2024 #240

When the murder of people by CEOs is legal and lauded, eventually there is blowback. Coventina Dec 2024 #14

Yes, amid all the sanctimony I'm not seeing any examination of how we got to this place. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #26

I don't think it was lawful. I just don't give a shit. nt LexVegas Dec 2024 #15

How dare you not give a shit! BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #23

Right? Think. Again. Dec 2024 #31

Some might call it grandstanding. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #36

+1 leftstreet Dec 2024 #43

The American Revolution gab13by13 Dec 2024 #16

Record me it is bad to shoot someone TexLaProgressive Dec 2024 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #22

Only Trump can legally do that! Emile Dec 2024 #25

It's never OK to shoot someone in the back on the street. That's murder. And, when caught and convicted, sop Dec 2024 #27

Agree with your take. dchill Dec 2024 #88

Unless he's a cop shooting a black guy in the back. Solomon Dec 2024 #233

Words matter. Gore1FL Dec 2024 #29

Never, and... Mike Nelson Dec 2024 #32

Who here shot someone in the back? What did I miss? Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #33

Just for the record, it wasn't me. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #48

Not I XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #56

Are you SURE? Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #169

Lol XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #171

Of course. I am heavily depending on the concept of "spheres of influence and spheres of concern" to get me Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #180

Could be any reason XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #185

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... Kali Dec 2024 #137

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Not a good thing at all, but trump can do it, or order it done... brush Dec 2024 #35

Excellent point. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #49

It's so dreary to even think about that the SCOTUS 6 is so corrupt that they listnen to trump's attorney... brush Dec 2024 #80

It sounds like he wanted to be a vigilante by killing people. People like him used to Ping Tung Dec 2024 #38

Do insurance execs mourn anyone's death? dalton99a Dec 2024 #39

I can't answer that. I don't know anyone in that position. MineralMan Dec 2024 #44

It's not. Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #40

Never, but the method of his death doesn't make him a saint, either ms liberty Dec 2024 #46

You're such a good person Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #47

Not necessarily, but I do have some hard and fast rules I follow. MineralMan Dec 2024 #51

Oh, I thought you posted this because you wanted people to say that Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #53

Well played radicalleft Dec 2024 #69

As opposed to all the DUers running around shooting people. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #83

Good guy with a gun syndrome Aviation Pro Dec 2024 #55

Well, we still don't know the shooter's motive. MineralMan Dec 2024 #57

Bull. We know his general motive, if not the specifics. He left a trail that specified it. NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #120

No, we don't. MineralMan Dec 2024 #122

Meh. there's a difference between "it's okay to do that" and... AkFemDem Dec 2024 #58

It does not matter the rationale for any murder. As an sinkingfeeling Dec 2024 #60

Yes - absolutely correct FakeNoose Dec 2024 #140

God said.. k0rs Dec 2024 #238

Agree claudette Dec 2024 #61

What is this about? Cirsium Dec 2024 #63

Apparently DUers are running amok, shooting Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #66

Right Cirsium Dec 2024 #77

You nailed it!!!! Coventina Dec 2024 #111

Yup! XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #163

Obviously murder is wrong. dawg Dec 2024 #65

Did you want a bonfire to go with your strawman? Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #68

Oh, hi there! MineralMan Dec 2024 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 2024 #202

why don't you just answer? Skittles Dec 2024 #208

You're better. Demobrat Dec 2024 #70

It became OK on 2 specific dates maxrandb Dec 2024 #73

you get it Skittles Dec 2024 #209

One thing is for certain. Omnipresent Dec 2024 #74

Oh please Woodwizard Dec 2024 #76

You're very polite, but I have nothing for you, I'm afraid. MineralMan Dec 2024 #78

That's fine I will survive. Woodwizard Dec 2024 #124

If an assailant is about to murder children and I have the drop on him from behind Orrex Dec 2024 #81

"But NO ONE is celebrating..." sarisataka Dec 2024 #82

You found one!! Congratulations!! Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #84

The posts are not hard to find, sarisataka Dec 2024 #87

We're all very proud of you. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #89

No need sarisataka Dec 2024 #96

Of course. Because of all the murdering people here will do Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #99

. sarisataka Dec 2024 #110

No, really. I was standing at the door, shotgun in hand, and only YOUR wise words stopped me! Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #90

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Thanks. On this matter -- shooting someone in back -- feel like I'm on some trump site promoting 2nd Amendment solutions Silent Type Dec 2024 #97

Thanks. MineralMan Dec 2024 #108

Hi still proud of my comment and stand by it Asa13 Dec 2024 #155

Nor do I expect you to change your position sarisataka Dec 2024 #161

I'm pretty sure it's self defense or possibly saving the life of a potential victim that might be legal. Hope22 Dec 2024 #85

Assassination is never OK. LisaM Dec 2024 #91

No need to fight you. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #118

Nazis are always fair game JoseBalow Dec 2024 #93

It's not okay. cer7711 Dec 2024 #95

It is confusing. Patton French Dec 2024 #100

I'm not sure I'd say it's NEVER okay.... Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #101

Never Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #102

NEVER ColinC Dec 2024 #103

So murdering Hitler would have been wrong? NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #123

That's an excellent question. MineralMan Dec 2024 #126

And your answer? NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #190

Here's my answer. What's yours? LAS14 Dec 2024 #222

Yes ColinC Dec 2024 #138

Well....since this guy was a rich CEO ($10M per year) they'll be a HELL of a lot more than Bengus81 Dec 2024 #107

OK has nothing to do with it - Nigrum Cattus Dec 2024 #113

When is it okay to kill thousands of people at your day job and think karma won't come knocking. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #117

"It depends" - TBF Dec 2024 #119

Feels like sealioning. nt GenThePerservering Dec 2024 #125

Oh, come on! This is a discussion board. The question prompted an interesting discussion. nt LAS14 Dec 2024 #223

Not OK -- but my grief is elsewhere occupied Betty Boom Dec 2024 #127

NRA Rule #1: All it takes is a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2024 #129

Now theplayer Dec 2024 #131

Maybe you should ask a preacher. markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #132

From what I have read here, I think you are equating the murder of someone being okay and those that PortTack Dec 2024 #133

This. progressoid Dec 2024 #236

No one has said murder is okay. Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #135

Whoa theplayer Dec 2024 #142

To be honest, I personally do agree with you. Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #146

Spot on. It's a consequence of the predatory system we have. harumph Dec 2024 #156

Let me make it clear theplayer Dec 2024 #136

I am also confused edhopper Dec 2024 #143

I dont know. MineralMan Dec 2024 #157

You would not celebrate edhopper Dec 2024 #192

Celebrate? No. MineralMan Dec 2024 #196

We do feel differently edhopper Dec 2024 #199

Is THIS enough reason? paleotn Dec 2024 #144

Not in my ethos, no. MineralMan Dec 2024 #159

And if your ethos brings us to do nothing but prattle on about the problems we face.... paleotn Dec 2024 #167

The question isn't 'is it ok?' Aussie105 Dec 2024 #147

But that was my question. MineralMan Dec 2024 #160

Your question is ridiculous GenThePerservering Dec 2024 #148

OK. But it's my thread. MineralMan Dec 2024 #162

The state sanctions murder every day Mr.WeRP Dec 2024 #151

Difference from people not feeling a sense of compassion with condoning the behavior, which you imply. LizBeth Dec 2024 #152

You make a distinction that is obvious to most, but that some folks here don't seem to be able to grasp. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #166

Ya, I tend to feel it is the second.... Has me about rolling my eyes. I work for health insurance LizBeth Dec 2024 #182

AND there's nothing wrong with that. Contrary to what some here will say. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #184

The words "justice for all" hasn't applied to the USA in decades. When that changes we can have a right or wrong yaesu Dec 2024 #154

We can punch "up" without supporting murder. ALBliberal Dec 2024 #158

The only "good" to come out of an abhorrent act I do not condone.. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2024 #165

A person shot a CEO. If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hear about it. The irony is that he affected more lives than Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #168

Never. AllyCat Dec 2024 #170

Some Americans are getting enured to violence Marthe48 Dec 2024 #172

Imagine all health insurance companies SharonClark Dec 2024 #173

Congress. MineralMan Dec 2024 #189

Of course it's not okay to shoot someone in the back on the street. But I don't give a shit that Autumn Dec 2024 #176

There needs to be a LOT more pearl clutching over deaths caused by the insurance industry. Babajida Dec 2024 #178

Ironically most doctors support the GOP. Big Time LeftInTX Dec 2024 #210

I assume it's just a loud minority who support that. ecstatic Dec 2024 #186

No excuse snowybirdie Dec 2024 #187

Well, yes, which is why none of us did it. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #213

If you are Don Old it's okay, but no one else. Hassler Dec 2024 #194

What about Hitler? oldmanlynn Dec 2024 #195

Yes. People tried. Many people. MineralMan Dec 2024 #197

Is anyone here saying that this person should not be charged for what happened? Lancero Dec 2024 #198

I'm confused OP ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #200

That straw man dpibel Dec 2024 #201

A comment left on UHC's facebook thread Babajida Dec 2024 #204

It's not Okay to murder someone Bettie Dec 2024 #206

I find it enormously disquieting to learn so many are callous and indifferent to this murder. summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #211

I bet dozens of people were murdered the same day as this guy. People to whom you and I have no Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #214

Those others are not being mentioned MineralMan Dec 2024 #215

So, what you care deeply about is other people's opinions and reactions, then. Not the guy himself. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #216

You are always ready to tell me what I think or care about. MineralMan Dec 2024 #221

Just pointing out what you, yourself have shown us. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #231

Somehow, you're missing something. MineralMan Dec 2024 #239

When one starts a post saying "I'm confused" Amanita Pantherina Dec 2024 #237

Knowing about it is all it takes. summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #226

Well said MustLoveBeagles Dec 2024 #230

Anger, fear, and contempt is a hell of a stew. summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #246

Yeah, I'm not going to engage in the ghoul dancing, either. Tommy Carcetti Dec 2024 #217

Life is complex. We can assure ourselves (probably with justification) that... LAS14 Dec 2024 #219

Any method of killing another is wrong nini Dec 2024 #220

I'm not a religious man but orangecrush Dec 2024 #224

It is not wisdom but authority that makes a law. Amanita Pantherina Dec 2024 #225

Not my point orangecrush Dec 2024 #228

When the cops do it! atreides1 Dec 2024 #227

Thomas Jefferson and the founders would disagree Quixote1818 Dec 2024 #234

the black and white requires a never answer... stillcool Dec 2024 #235

A question, please, to further the discussion. hamsterjill Dec 2024 #241

I too wouldn't lose any sleep if he's not found. Emile Dec 2024 #242

Good Question. MineralMan Dec 2024 #243

I accept your premise but I differ on one main issue. hamsterjill Dec 2024 #244

Yes, of course. It is his responsibility. MineralMan Dec 2024 #245