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hlthe2b

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29. Nol It is not. Multiple sources report the highest denials rate and further that they were using AI

Sat Dec 7, 2024, 05:27 PM

Dec 7

to do so! All YOU had to do is google, but you prefer to call out a fellow DUer] as a supposed "liar" and equate their comments to justifying murder. That is indefensible.

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyfeldman/2024/12/05/unitedhealthcare-denies-more-claims-than-other-insurers---angering-patients-and-health-systems/

Quartz/Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/news/unitedhealthcare-other-insurers-ai-deny-202000141.html

CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-lawsuit-ai-deny-claims-medicare-advantage-health-insurance-denials/

Fox Business! https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/unitedhealthcare-accused-relying-ai-algorithms-deny-medicare-advantage-claims

Computerworld: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3619010/after-shooting-unitedhealthcare-comes-under-scrutiny-for-ai-use-in-treatment-approval.html

Star Tribune: https://www.startribune.com/why-unitedhealthcare-is-a-four-letter-word-to-critics/601191492

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/nyregion/delay-deny-defend-united-health-care-insurance-claims.html

Do some damned homework of your OWN and stop defaming your fellow DUers.

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New Yorker: A Man Was Murdered in Cold Blood and You're Laughing? [View all] Dennis Donovan Dec 7 OP

Yep, UHC denies 1/3 of medical claims. Think. Again. Dec 7 #1

No they don't and I'll bet money you can't provide a citation for that. I get you are are trying to justify shooting Silent Type Dec 7 #4

From the OP article above... Think. Again. Dec 7 #7

You accept every thing you read. That's initial denials AND requests for additional info. Silent Type Dec 7 #14

I gave you a citation. Think. Again. Dec 7 #18

If you provide a citation for ultimate denials, not initial ones quickly overturned I'll contribute $25 to your favorite Silent Type Dec 7 #21

Man, those goal posts move FAST! Think. Again. Dec 7 #24

You said they denied 30%, they don't. You left out the most important part about approving once lazy doctors Silent Type Dec 7 #27

I said they denied 1/3 and the article this thread is about backs that up. Think. Again. Dec 7 #31

Yes, but they did point out that you didn't provide it from the approved list of sources in their head ThreeNoSeep Dec 7 #45

Just accept the fact that a corporation loyalties are to the executives and stock holders. The executives LiberalArkie Dec 7 #63

After reading this thread, I'm starting to wonder and it damn sure isn't you..... chouchou Dec 7 #90

Lazy doctors? yardwork Dec 7 #70

Hmmmmm soldierant Dec 7 #74

As the person happy feet Dec 7 #102

UM happy feet Dec 7 #105

In a lot of cases NJCher Dec 8 #133

I love that you are willing to die on this hill being factually wrong and mildly abusive. ZonkerHarris Dec 8 #155

LOL my thoughts too. Emile Dec 7 #28

Why make... FeelingBlue Dec 7 #48

Because they know many people Meowmee Dec 7 #104

It's the New Yorker, typically they're a reliable source Arazi Dec 7 #25

Does writer of article sound qualified. Her main article before was on "Britney Spears's conservatorship nightmare." Silent Type Dec 7 #44

And who are you? Arazi Dec 7 #57

Interesting that you don't see her qualifications the way I do. Ronan Farrow is an award-winning researcher/author... Hekate Dec 7 #58

She sounds to be a very good writer. As is Ronan Farrow. That's for showing us how qualified Autumn Dec 7 #73

In every post that you've made choie Dec 7 #80

Disparaging the auther is an ad hominem fallacy. AZ8theist Dec 7 #84

Jia appears on such podcasts as Preet Bahara's NJCher Dec 8 #134

I am not impressed by this article. delisen Dec 8 #153

Our healthcare system is terrible Henry203 Dec 7 #43

No joke. It's time Congress gets of their rears. They've had 60 years to enact something decent, and haven't. Silent Type Dec 7 #77

NEVER as long as Repukes are in the majority... AZ8theist Dec 7 #89

I bet we couldn't get 85% of Democrats to vote for universal HC without private insurers involved. ACA Silent Type Dec 7 #119

Yikes, where are you coming from with this attitude defending the undefensible? roscoeroscoe Dec 8 #130

That last sentence boggles my mind NJCher Dec 8 #137

Mrs. Thompson... is this you? intheflow Dec 8 #131

That attack on another DUer is unjustified and really wrong. That data was posted earlier. hlthe2b Dec 7 #9

Because it's the truth-- Silent Type Dec 7 #17

Nol It is not. Multiple sources report the highest denials rate and further that they were using AI hlthe2b Dec 7 #29

Not one of those says 30% ultimate denial rate. Silent Type Dec 7 #38

That you keep changing to new strawman arguments is not working. It only shows you for hlthe2b Dec 7 #41

Why are you splitting hairs on denials? intheflow Dec 8 #132

Excellent gathering of sources Hekate Dec 7 #64

Thank you. Think. Again. Dec 7 #66

UHC lonely bird Dec 7 #93

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 ShazzieB Dec 7 #99

Im glad it's happening. xmas74 Dec 7 #111

I know what you mean! ShazzieB Dec 7 #114

An article I read on DU yesterday Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 7 #10

Initial denials, final denials are like 9% and most are resolved quickly. Doctors do bill Botox for headaches when Silent Type Dec 7 #19

I hope our case ends up as one of those in the 23%. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 7 #23

Citation? SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #37

Here you go. Silent Type Dec 7 #42

That doesn't say UnitedHealthCare has a 9% denial rate SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #46

Odd you use overall numbers dpibel Dec 7 #47

There's also slipperiness in attributing initial denials to minor errors and "lazy doctors" Prairie Gates Dec 7 #53

Even 9-10% denials seems horrific Arazi Dec 7 #61

That's fantastic! OilemFirchen Dec 7 #72

I work for insurance claims. I know how hard it is to push a totally valid claim thru with all the info LizBeth Dec 8 #145

That was with the implications of algorithms. Then lets talk about implementing LizBeth Dec 8 #146

And you keep equating talking about a shooting to Scrivener7 Dec 7 #15

Yeah, in this context it is. Silent Type Dec 7 #20

When multiple corporations practice legalized murder for profit, I guess you could say that Hekate Dec 7 #71

In your opinion. ShazzieB Dec 7 #100

See? Scrivener7 Dec 9 #159

I think Forbes says an "estimated one-third denial rate Stargleamer Dec 7 #36

That was rude. Justify shooting someone in the back? zuul Dec 7 #56

No it's not 1/3, it's only 32% SocialDemocrat61 Dec 7 #62

where are your citations/references that prove they don't deny claims at that rate? Genevra Dec 7 #65

Hey! Are you with the parasitic insurance industry? Just curious. paleotn Dec 7 #94

Would you please provide the source citing what percent they deny? nt Phoenix61 Dec 7 #117

War is hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 7 #120

You are wrong. Blue Full Moon Dec 8 #157

Here is a link. If you want more, do your own research. 33taw Dec 9 #161

It's bad enough when trumpsters were the goons, it's another when Democrats join in. Silent Type Dec 7 #2

Anyone not totally broken up a psychopathic ceo dies is a goon. SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #49

Probably not, but they darn sure aren't what I expect from fellow Democrats. YMMV Silent Type Dec 7 #50

I bet you would have said.... paleotn Dec 7 #97

I don't visit some of the internet areas that supposedly are so "horrific" on the comments. That said, hlthe2b Dec 7 #3

Just a "hard-working family man" the article says Prairie Gates Dec 7 #8

. Think. Again. Dec 7 #22

Just a "hard-working family man"? Must be whey he used AI to deny claims. Autumn Dec 7 #76

Tony Soprano had more class nt xmas74 Dec 7 #113

Just like so many other average white collar schlubs misanthrope Dec 7 #118

Boo, fucking hoo atreides1 Dec 7 #5

Guess the New Yorker caters to the NYC blue bloods. paleotn Dec 7 #98

The New Yorker has done substantial reporting on Voltaire2 Dec 8 #127

Laughing at evil people dying is generally normal. Pretending an evil man was good or deserving of sympathy, is not. ColinC Dec 7 #6

Well said. Think. Again. Dec 7 #11

indeed mike_c Dec 7 #12

I freely confess that I sometimes watch videos Crunchy Frog Dec 7 #33

Um, maybe in the movies... whathehell Dec 7 #92

No? Saddam Hussein, Chris Dorner, Charles Manson, Hitler? ColinC Dec 7 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Dec 8 #124

When huge insurance companies engage in causing economic disaster and even widescale deaths for profit Attilatheblond Dec 7 #13

Yes Timewas Dec 7 #91

A *mass murderer* was killed in cold blood Arazi Dec 7 #16

I'm not laughing. City Lights Dec 7 #26

I'm not laughing but I am thinking about Karma. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 7 #30

Where Dem4life1234 Dec 7 #32

HARD WORKING AT GETTING RICH ... Xoan Dec 7 #34

From what I've seen most people are laughing at the BS demands for sympathy RockRaven Dec 7 #35

Perhaps this sadistic trend could be ended by lining up all of the chortling trolls and shooting them in the back. OilemFirchen Dec 7 #39

My concern is reserved for the people that died or suffered/ were bankrupted etc. Meowmee Dec 7 #40

Laughing? Gloating? Aussie105 Dec 7 #51

Considering the messages inscribed on those bullets Attilatheblond Dec 7 #96

I'm not laughing, but I just don't feel pity for the person killed sakabatou Dec 7 #52

We have become desensitised to the violent death of others. Aussie105 Dec 7 #55

So let's say someone was murdered. sakabatou Dec 7 #68

Yes. No. Maybe. Aussie105 Dec 7 #75

Jia, you don't know me or anything about me - so how do you know if I'm laughing? hatrack Dec 7 #54

I am against murder. sarisataka Dec 7 #59

Applaud that we can still laugh delisen Dec 7 #60

I'm a fan of gallows humor myself. ShazzieB Dec 7 #108

Well said delisen Dec 7 #112

Who says it was in cold blood? Jilly_in_VA Dec 7 #67

Using that logic SCantiGOP Dec 7 #88

Other articles I have read say that this ceo Linda ladeewolf Dec 7 #69

We can't help it. Aussie105 Dec 7 #79

Very true! Linda ladeewolf Dec 8 #140

Less Than Zero Tears... Less Than Zero... MayReasonRule Dec 7 #78

A Mark Twain quote appropriate here SnoopDog Dec 7 #81

SnoopDog: Concur. FYI (unless Mr. Darrow borrowed it from Mr. Clemens) C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #144

It's a good saying no matter who said it... SnoopDog Dec 8 #149

You're welcome and I follow that philosophy myself. C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #150

Knowing what Brian Thompson is infamous for, I honestly can't say that I have anymore sympathy for him than I had W T F Dec 7 #82

I sent tots and pears, DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 7 #83

Yes, at this: SunSeeker Dec 7 #85

We just witnessed the final nail in the coffin of democracy and the elite's are surprised we don't give a flying fuck yaesu Dec 7 #86

Out loud? Swede Dec 7 #87

Depends on the man, really. paleotn Dec 7 #95

Fuck that guy orangecrush Dec 7 #103

What has claudette Dec 7 #106

Thompson murdered thousands of people- he just didn't leave fingerprints. hay rick Dec 7 #107

TL;DR LuvLoogie Dec 7 #109

You have not reported on the murders we haven't laughed st delisen Dec 7 #110

WTAFH, new yorker??? The COMMENTS are more lawless than the actual niyad Dec 7 #115

A plurality of Americans helped elect a convict to the Presidency. lees1975 Dec 7 #116

and if that 40% NJCher Dec 8 #143

Unfortunately, many are rejoicing at murder. Patton French Dec 7 #121

It's despicable - anyone applauding or condoning the murder of someone operating within the bounds of the law had better Midwestern Democrat Dec 8 #123

Well... LoveSucky Dec 7 #122

There IS DiverDave Dec 8 #125

Nobody is laughing. alarimer Dec 8 #126

It's very sad. Patton French Dec 8 #128

"UnitedHealth Group, a health-insurance conglomerate valued at five hundred and sixty billion dollars." Botany Dec 8 #129

Predatory Capitalism kills people everywhere everyday. Emile Dec 8 #135

yeah, I'm wondering where justice is coming from NJCher Dec 8 #141

I'm old enough to remember when we were opposed to the death penalty. Patton French Dec 8 #136

I'm still opposed to Predatory Capitalists killing people! Emile Dec 8 #138

Indifference is met with indifference. EllieBC Dec 8 #139

didn't he do NJCher Dec 8 #142

Yes I believe he was being investigated? EllieBC Dec 9 #158

I'm starting to LMAO every time it's mentioned The angst over this asshole being shot compared to the Autumn Dec 8 #147

Justice, Vengeance, Karma, or a Combination of all Three? C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #148

No man is an island, Entire of itself, Ping Tung Dec 8 #151

People Need to Shop for Bullet Proof Baseball Caps and Bullet Proof Clothes with Gloves Socks Oneear Dec 8 #152

Oh fuck off Jia. Elitist clown. BannonsLiver Dec 8 #154

... LexVegas Dec 8 #156

I've heard of another 'New Yorker'----- "former" New Yorker I guess Jack Valentino Dec 9 #160