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ShazzieB

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108. I'm a fan of gallows humor myself.

Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:47 PM

Dec 7

I think it provides a valuable outlet for people's frustrations, and God knows a lot of Americans have a TON of frustrations regarding medical care costs and the roadblocks thrown up by the insurance industry between people and the medical care they need.

Even those of us who are lucky enough not to have had a really bad experience getting needed care covered (YET) have heard a million horror stories about people getting screwed over by insurance companies and dying unnecessarily, going bankrupt trying to pay for it themselves, etc., and we're sick of living with the constant fear of it happening to us.

That is why so many of us lack both the ability and the desire to shed a tear over this man's fate. Unfortunately for him, this obscenely rich CEO literally symbolizes everything about the American health care system that we're all fed up with, so of course a lot of us are going to react accordingly.

Furthermore, no one has the right to tell another person how to feel, period, full stop. We all have the right to feel however we feel about this, without being scolded or judged. That is all.

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New Yorker: A Man Was Murdered in Cold Blood and You're Laughing? [View all] Dennis Donovan Dec 7 OP

Yep, UHC denies 1/3 of medical claims. Think. Again. Dec 7 #1

No they don't and I'll bet money you can't provide a citation for that. I get you are are trying to justify shooting Silent Type Dec 7 #4

From the OP article above... Think. Again. Dec 7 #7

You accept every thing you read. That's initial denials AND requests for additional info. Silent Type Dec 7 #14

I gave you a citation. Think. Again. Dec 7 #18

If you provide a citation for ultimate denials, not initial ones quickly overturned I'll contribute $25 to your favorite Silent Type Dec 7 #21

Man, those goal posts move FAST! Think. Again. Dec 7 #24

You said they denied 30%, they don't. You left out the most important part about approving once lazy doctors Silent Type Dec 7 #27

I said they denied 1/3 and the article this thread is about backs that up. Think. Again. Dec 7 #31

Yes, but they did point out that you didn't provide it from the approved list of sources in their head ThreeNoSeep Dec 7 #45

Just accept the fact that a corporation loyalties are to the executives and stock holders. The executives LiberalArkie Dec 7 #63

After reading this thread, I'm starting to wonder and it damn sure isn't you..... chouchou Dec 7 #90

Lazy doctors? yardwork Dec 7 #70

Hmmmmm soldierant Dec 7 #74

As the person happy feet Dec 7 #102

UM happy feet Dec 7 #105

In a lot of cases NJCher Dec 8 #133

I love that you are willing to die on this hill being factually wrong and mildly abusive. ZonkerHarris Dec 8 #155

LOL my thoughts too. Emile Dec 7 #28

Why make... FeelingBlue Dec 7 #48

Because they know many people Meowmee Dec 7 #104

It's the New Yorker, typically they're a reliable source Arazi Dec 7 #25

Does writer of article sound qualified. Her main article before was on "Britney Spears's conservatorship nightmare." Silent Type Dec 7 #44

And who are you? Arazi Dec 7 #57

Interesting that you don't see her qualifications the way I do. Ronan Farrow is an award-winning researcher/author... Hekate Dec 7 #58

She sounds to be a very good writer. As is Ronan Farrow. That's for showing us how qualified Autumn Dec 7 #73

In every post that you've made choie Dec 7 #80

Disparaging the auther is an ad hominem fallacy. AZ8theist Dec 7 #84

Jia appears on such podcasts as Preet Bahara's NJCher Dec 8 #134

I am not impressed by this article. delisen Dec 8 #153

Our healthcare system is terrible Henry203 Dec 7 #43

No joke. It's time Congress gets of their rears. They've had 60 years to enact something decent, and haven't. Silent Type Dec 7 #77

NEVER as long as Repukes are in the majority... AZ8theist Dec 7 #89

I bet we couldn't get 85% of Democrats to vote for universal HC without private insurers involved. ACA Silent Type Dec 7 #119

Yikes, where are you coming from with this attitude defending the undefensible? roscoeroscoe Dec 8 #130

That last sentence boggles my mind NJCher Dec 8 #137

Mrs. Thompson... is this you? intheflow Dec 8 #131

That attack on another DUer is unjustified and really wrong. That data was posted earlier. hlthe2b Dec 7 #9

Because it's the truth-- Silent Type Dec 7 #17

Nol It is not. Multiple sources report the highest denials rate and further that they were using AI hlthe2b Dec 7 #29

Not one of those says 30% ultimate denial rate. Silent Type Dec 7 #38

That you keep changing to new strawman arguments is not working. It only shows you for hlthe2b Dec 7 #41

Why are you splitting hairs on denials? intheflow Dec 8 #132

Excellent gathering of sources Hekate Dec 7 #64

Thank you. Think. Again. Dec 7 #66

UHC lonely bird Dec 7 #93

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 ShazzieB Dec 7 #99

Im glad it's happening. xmas74 Dec 7 #111

I know what you mean! ShazzieB Dec 7 #114

An article I read on DU yesterday Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 7 #10

Initial denials, final denials are like 9% and most are resolved quickly. Doctors do bill Botox for headaches when Silent Type Dec 7 #19

I hope our case ends up as one of those in the 23%. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 7 #23

Citation? SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #37

Here you go. Silent Type Dec 7 #42

That doesn't say UnitedHealthCare has a 9% denial rate SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #46

Odd you use overall numbers dpibel Dec 7 #47

There's also slipperiness in attributing initial denials to minor errors and "lazy doctors" Prairie Gates Dec 7 #53

Even 9-10% denials seems horrific Arazi Dec 7 #61

That's fantastic! OilemFirchen Dec 7 #72

I work for insurance claims. I know how hard it is to push a totally valid claim thru with all the info LizBeth Dec 8 #145

That was with the implications of algorithms. Then lets talk about implementing LizBeth Dec 8 #146

And you keep equating talking about a shooting to Scrivener7 Dec 7 #15

Yeah, in this context it is. Silent Type Dec 7 #20

When multiple corporations practice legalized murder for profit, I guess you could say that Hekate Dec 7 #71

In your opinion. ShazzieB Dec 7 #100

See? Scrivener7 Dec 9 #159

I think Forbes says an "estimated one-third denial rate Stargleamer Dec 7 #36

That was rude. Justify shooting someone in the back? zuul Dec 7 #56

No it's not 1/3, it's only 32% SocialDemocrat61 Dec 7 #62

where are your citations/references that prove they don't deny claims at that rate? Genevra Dec 7 #65

Hey! Are you with the parasitic insurance industry? Just curious. paleotn Dec 7 #94

Would you please provide the source citing what percent they deny? nt Phoenix61 Dec 7 #117

War is hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 7 #120

You are wrong. Blue Full Moon Dec 8 #157

Here is a link. If you want more, do your own research. 33taw Dec 9 #161

It's bad enough when trumpsters were the goons, it's another when Democrats join in. Silent Type Dec 7 #2

Anyone not totally broken up a psychopathic ceo dies is a goon. SamuelTheThird Dec 7 #49

Probably not, but they darn sure aren't what I expect from fellow Democrats. YMMV Silent Type Dec 7 #50

I bet you would have said.... paleotn Dec 7 #97

I don't visit some of the internet areas that supposedly are so "horrific" on the comments. That said, hlthe2b Dec 7 #3

Just a "hard-working family man" the article says Prairie Gates Dec 7 #8

. Think. Again. Dec 7 #22

Just a "hard-working family man"? Must be whey he used AI to deny claims. Autumn Dec 7 #76

Tony Soprano had more class nt xmas74 Dec 7 #113

Just like so many other average white collar schlubs misanthrope Dec 7 #118

Boo, fucking hoo atreides1 Dec 7 #5

Guess the New Yorker caters to the NYC blue bloods. paleotn Dec 7 #98

The New Yorker has done substantial reporting on Voltaire2 Dec 8 #127

Laughing at evil people dying is generally normal. Pretending an evil man was good or deserving of sympathy, is not. ColinC Dec 7 #6

Well said. Think. Again. Dec 7 #11

indeed mike_c Dec 7 #12

I freely confess that I sometimes watch videos Crunchy Frog Dec 7 #33

Um, maybe in the movies... whathehell Dec 7 #92

No? Saddam Hussein, Chris Dorner, Charles Manson, Hitler? ColinC Dec 7 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Dec 8 #124

When huge insurance companies engage in causing economic disaster and even widescale deaths for profit Attilatheblond Dec 7 #13

Yes Timewas Dec 7 #91

A *mass murderer* was killed in cold blood Arazi Dec 7 #16

I'm not laughing. City Lights Dec 7 #26

I'm not laughing but I am thinking about Karma. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 7 #30

Where Dem4life1234 Dec 7 #32

HARD WORKING AT GETTING RICH ... Xoan Dec 7 #34

From what I've seen most people are laughing at the BS demands for sympathy RockRaven Dec 7 #35

Perhaps this sadistic trend could be ended by lining up all of the chortling trolls and shooting them in the back. OilemFirchen Dec 7 #39

My concern is reserved for the people that died or suffered/ were bankrupted etc. Meowmee Dec 7 #40

Laughing? Gloating? Aussie105 Dec 7 #51

Considering the messages inscribed on those bullets Attilatheblond Dec 7 #96

I'm not laughing, but I just don't feel pity for the person killed sakabatou Dec 7 #52

We have become desensitised to the violent death of others. Aussie105 Dec 7 #55

So let's say someone was murdered. sakabatou Dec 7 #68

Yes. No. Maybe. Aussie105 Dec 7 #75

Jia, you don't know me or anything about me - so how do you know if I'm laughing? hatrack Dec 7 #54

I am against murder. sarisataka Dec 7 #59

Applaud that we can still laugh delisen Dec 7 #60

I'm a fan of gallows humor myself. ShazzieB Dec 7 #108

Well said delisen Dec 7 #112

Who says it was in cold blood? Jilly_in_VA Dec 7 #67

Using that logic SCantiGOP Dec 7 #88

Other articles I have read say that this ceo Linda ladeewolf Dec 7 #69

We can't help it. Aussie105 Dec 7 #79

Very true! Linda ladeewolf Dec 8 #140

Less Than Zero Tears... Less Than Zero... MayReasonRule Dec 7 #78

A Mark Twain quote appropriate here SnoopDog Dec 7 #81

SnoopDog: Concur. FYI (unless Mr. Darrow borrowed it from Mr. Clemens) C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #144

It's a good saying no matter who said it... SnoopDog Dec 8 #149

You're welcome and I follow that philosophy myself. C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #150

Knowing what Brian Thompson is infamous for, I honestly can't say that I have anymore sympathy for him than I had W T F Dec 7 #82

I sent tots and pears, DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 7 #83

Yes, at this: SunSeeker Dec 7 #85

We just witnessed the final nail in the coffin of democracy and the elite's are surprised we don't give a flying fuck yaesu Dec 7 #86

Out loud? Swede Dec 7 #87

Depends on the man, really. paleotn Dec 7 #95

Fuck that guy orangecrush Dec 7 #103

What has claudette Dec 7 #106

Thompson murdered thousands of people- he just didn't leave fingerprints. hay rick Dec 7 #107

TL;DR LuvLoogie Dec 7 #109

You have not reported on the murders we haven't laughed st delisen Dec 7 #110

WTAFH, new yorker??? The COMMENTS are more lawless than the actual niyad Dec 7 #115

A plurality of Americans helped elect a convict to the Presidency. lees1975 Dec 7 #116

and if that 40% NJCher Dec 8 #143

Unfortunately, many are rejoicing at murder. Patton French Dec 7 #121

It's despicable - anyone applauding or condoning the murder of someone operating within the bounds of the law had better Midwestern Democrat Dec 8 #123

Well... LoveSucky Dec 7 #122

There IS DiverDave Dec 8 #125

Nobody is laughing. alarimer Dec 8 #126

It's very sad. Patton French Dec 8 #128

"UnitedHealth Group, a health-insurance conglomerate valued at five hundred and sixty billion dollars." Botany Dec 8 #129

Predatory Capitalism kills people everywhere everyday. Emile Dec 8 #135

yeah, I'm wondering where justice is coming from NJCher Dec 8 #141

I'm old enough to remember when we were opposed to the death penalty. Patton French Dec 8 #136

I'm still opposed to Predatory Capitalists killing people! Emile Dec 8 #138

Indifference is met with indifference. EllieBC Dec 8 #139

didn't he do NJCher Dec 8 #142

Yes I believe he was being investigated? EllieBC Dec 9 #158

I'm starting to LMAO every time it's mentioned The angst over this asshole being shot compared to the Autumn Dec 8 #147

Justice, Vengeance, Karma, or a Combination of all Three? C0RI0LANUS Dec 8 #148

No man is an island, Entire of itself, Ping Tung Dec 8 #151

People Need to Shop for Bullet Proof Baseball Caps and Bullet Proof Clothes with Gloves Socks Oneear Dec 8 #152

Oh fuck off Jia. Elitist clown. BannonsLiver Dec 8 #154

... LexVegas Dec 8 #156

I've heard of another 'New Yorker'----- "former" New Yorker I guess Jack Valentino Dec 9 #160