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45. Agreed. The prosecution doesn't need to enter the defendant's mind.

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Mon Dec 9, 2024, 04:21 PM

Dec 2024

But if the defendant can't explain his motives if he wanted to, that would be truly shocking to me.

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Updated in Post 67. Some guy shot the head of a health insurance company in the back. [View all] MineralMan Dec 2024 OP

Unless Trump pardons him. OLDMDDEM Dec 2024 #1

Not a federal crime. Trump can't pardon him. MineralMan Dec 2024 #2

Good point. But he did cross state lines. Isn't that make it a federal crime? OLDMDDEM Dec 2024 #10

Yes, there are Federal Crimes involved, but not Murder. MineralMan Dec 2024 #12

Why would Trump pardon him even if he could ? JI7 Dec 2024 #9

You are probably right. OLDMDDEM Dec 2024 #11

Trump is more likely to sic his DOJ on him. yardwork Dec 2024 #32

The End H2O Man Dec 2024 #3

Very good! MineralMan Dec 2024 #4

Young good looking guy kills a rich CEO, the doc03 Dec 2024 #5

Yep. Go back to sleep, go back to health insurance companies legally killing people for MONEY ck4829 Dec 2024 #6

Unfortunately BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #7

Not really. Two different things. MineralMan Dec 2024 #54

Who Is Going Back to Sleep? MineralMan Dec 2024 #14

Spot on! berksdem Dec 2024 #28

+1. If I were a juror and he had personally witnessed the death of family/friend because of denials, I might have had Silent Type Dec 2024 #8

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that he will be convicted easily. MineralMan Dec 2024 #15

Is that why Kyle Rittenhouse walked? Emile Dec 2024 #17

Well, think about the two cases. MineralMan Dec 2024 #25

That's right, Rittenhouse shot and killed two Emile Dec 2024 #59

Which of those two was MineralMan Dec 2024 #61

Murder is only murder when the person killed is rich. Emile Dec 2024 #62

That shoild not matter, MineralMan Dec 2024 #63

Not the same DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2024 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #18

Nobody wants a five-year-old KIA Soul. MineralMan Dec 2024 #23

Oh, like this case? Mr.WeRP Dec 2024 #50

No, not like that case at all. MineralMan Dec 2024 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Dec 2024 #44

That person wouldn't make it anywhere near the jury Random Boomer Dec 2024 #64

Voir Dire will weed out anyone who admits to experiencing insurance denials haele Dec 18 #68

I don't know his motive, but judging from the public reaction, unblock Dec 2024 #13

I don't think that defense will work. MineralMan Dec 2024 #19

Motive irrelevant in a murder case? unblock Dec 2024 #30

Intent and motive H2O Man Dec 2024 #41

Agreed. The prosecution doesn't need to enter the defendant's mind. unblock Dec 2024 #45

It sounds as if H2O Man Dec 2024 #48

So, you are a lawyer in addition to a fortune teller? Mr.WeRP Dec 2024 #47

No, not a lawyer. MineralMan Dec 2024 #56

In New York it's second degree murder. This case does not meet the requirements for first degree murder in New York. unblock Dec 2024 #16

A case could be made for the "act of terrorism, given his "manifesto." MineralMan Dec 2024 #21

Rhetorically, maybe. But legally, under New York law, I seriously doubt it. unblock Dec 2024 #33

"(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;" MineralMan Dec 2024 #35

He did not do that, any more than any other murder does that. unblock Dec 2024 #38

Interesting. Two other health insurance companies in Minnesota are shut down. MineralMan Dec 2024 #39

They might go for the terrorism connection to get first-degree murder Random Boomer Dec 2024 #65

I think it's a thin argument and a prosecutor would more likely go for the nearly sure thing second degree, but unblock Dec 2024 #66

He has not even been charged and he isi g called "the shooter@ 33taw Dec 2024 #20

Yes. That's true. MineralMan Dec 2024 #22

Yes, we have all seen the tape of a person shooting 33taw Dec 2024 #24

And soon, all the evidence showing that it was him will be available. MineralMan Dec 2024 #26

I am sure we will. I still prefer he get a chance to defend himself 33taw Dec 2024 #51

How can righteous moralizers preemptively wag their fingers if they have to wait for evidence and charges? Orrex Dec 2024 #52

Of course. He'll have his time in court. MineralMan Dec 2024 #53

There are people on Reddit wishing death on the McDonald's employee who tipped off NYPD nt Bookreadingliberal53 Dec 2024 #27

There are people on Reddit who eat their own boogers, too. MineralMan Dec 2024 #29

What low wage worker couldnt use the reward money? n/t leftstreet Dec 2024 #34

I read it was an elderly patron who reported him Mr.WeRP Dec 2024 #49

Your predictions have not had a high degree of accuracy Mr.WeRP Dec 2024 #31

Oh, OK. Thanks. MineralMan Dec 2024 #36

Social Media pretty full of RW brosphere posts... JCMach1 Dec 2024 #37

It sure is. MineralMan Dec 2024 #40

Second degree edhopper Dec 2024 #42

Yes. An argument could be made, though. MineralMan Dec 2024 #43

Not really edhopper Dec 2024 #46

Yes. We seem to live by plea deals. You're right. MineralMan Dec 2024 #57

So this boils down to one thing. GUNZ. madinmaryland Dec 2024 #60

Update: In My OP, I predicted a First Degree Murder Charge for Mangione. MineralMan Dec 18 #67