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27. And he wasn't charged with murder.

Reply to Hellbound Hellhound (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 9, 2024, 07:02 PM

Dec 9

He was charged with manslaughter and the lesser-included offence of negligent homicide. The State dropped the manslaughter charge when it looked like the jury was hung on that issue.

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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all] brush Dec 9 OP

People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting WhiskeyGrinder Dec 9 #1

Yes. The cases are a lot closer than they first seem to be... brush Dec 9 #3

The little I know about the case Just_Vote_Dem Dec 9 #6

So do I. B.See Dec 9 #20

Involuntary manslaughter. Lunabell Dec 9 #47

I thought our aspiration here WAS to keep people out of jail. yagotme Dec 9 #7

Oh, please, the man caused the death of another person. brush Dec 9 #8

No, he didn't. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #12

Well, sorry you feel that way... nt yagotme Dec 9 #21

DA overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 11 #97

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse went looking for trouble. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 9 #2

So no punishment at all for causing a man's death? brush Dec 9 #4

Penny didn't cause Neely's death. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #11

Oh, really, choking him for six minutes within an inch of death... brush Dec 9 #15

He wasn't "choking" him. The ME, when she first autopsied Neely's body, Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #35

No. She testified the chokehold was the sole cause of Neely's death Quiet Em Dec 9 #55

After her written report couldn't determine a cause of death Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #63

She did not. Quiet Em Dec 9 #65

It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges MarineCombatEngineer Dec 9 #16

Do you agree that causing another man's death should go unpunished? brush Dec 9 #19

I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 9 #25

Lots of time that is true EX500rider Dec 9 #59

In that scenario, no. But not having enough sense to know not to choke... brush Dec 9 #71

Yes, when twelve people sit in judgement of another Dumpy Dec 9 #69

Ok. But there's still a dead body he caused. Nice dodge though. brush Dec 9 #74

no dodge, follow the law and rules of the justice system. Dumpy Dec 10 #93

The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death... brush Dec 10 #94

Yes, except in the case of self defense, or the defense of others. yagotme Dec 11 #96

Apparently not. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 9 #28

you asked what the difference was. NoRethugFriends Dec 9 #58

Should Jordan Williams have been charged for killing someone? Dr. Strange Dec 11 #103

+1 Celerity Dec 10 #86

All three were acquitted by juries, so no differences there. n/t MichMan Dec 9 #5

So state an opinion. Is that a good thing? brush Dec 9 #10

Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #14

Causing another person's death, though well-intentioned... brush Dec 9 #26

He wasn't "choking" him. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #40

I remember trolls here on DU fought tooth and nail for Rittenhouse. Kingofalldems Dec 9 #9

I was not on the jury, but maybe they know something we don't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 9 #82

It's just how it is Sympthsical Dec 10 #85

What's the difference Cirsium Dec 9 #13

Should or should not is moot at this point. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #18

Hard to keep track Cirsium Dec 9 #24

Not a murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #45

Deaths Cirsium Dec 9 #73

Keep reading the thread. Most seem to thing he should go unpunished. brush Dec 9 #30

I'm sorry, but this case wasn't on my radar. Maybe too much election stuff. LeftInTX Dec 9 #17

I love this idea of "should be found guilty of something" Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #23

What do you think should happen to a person who caused another's death... brush Dec 9 #31

Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #52

So we jail people for what 'might' happen now? Ontheboundry Dec 11 #105

White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death. brush Dec 11 #109

That don't answer my q Ontheboundry Dec 11 #111

Bernie G. went looking for targets. yagotme Dec 9 #29

He didn't have enough sense to know that choking someone for six... brush Dec 9 #34

Obviously, the jury thought differently. yagotme Dec 9 #36

There were attempts to politicize it, but it never caught fire. Sneederbunk Dec 9 #41

Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #22

And he wasn't charged with murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #27

Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #32

A dead body from a choke hold for six minutes is a lack of evidence?Z brush Dec 9 #37

The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #44

The guy didn't have eonugh sense to know choking someone for six minutes... brush Dec 9 #49

I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #51

Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #57

Nice attitude, dude. (sarcasm gif here.) brush Dec 9 #62

I think it speaks to how political "justice" is. DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 9 #33

Maybe racism too. Reverse the choker and the chokee... brush Dec 9 #39

To do (or not) racism is a political choice DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 9 #53

True enough. I think it was at play in this case. brush Dec 9 #56

A black man was also involved in restraining Neely Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #61

He didn't administer a choke hold for six minutes. brush Dec 9 #66

You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 10 #88

Yeah, he held it too long. Six minutes. It was reported on cable... brush Dec 10 #89

"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go! DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 10 #90

Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report. brush Dec 10 #91

Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived? brush Dec 11 #107

I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #113

He caused a death. Went Scott free with not even a wrist slap of a jail... brush Dec 11 #114

If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #115

Penny went too far. Didn't have enough sense to not choke someone.. brush Dec 11 #116

I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #117

Not necessarily cabotnn22 Dec 11 #102

He didn't use a gun, but beyond that not much. alarimer Dec 9 #38

Agreed. Hate to be his wife or girlfriend. brush Dec 9 #42

Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting RockRaven Dec 9 #43

The "others" were ASSISTING him, that I could see. yagotme Dec 9 #50

He killed a homeless black man Bettie Dec 9 #46

He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #48

Wow. You're a nice guy. (sarcasm gif here). brush Dec 9 #54

You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator? Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #60

Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release... brush Dec 9 #64

Sarcasm is a refuge of a weak mind and an incapable soul. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #70

Give it a rest. We know by now with your posts where you stand. brush Dec 9 #72

Ugh Quiet Em Dec 9 #75

We seem to disagree on what higher standards are. brush Dec 9 #68

Are we now pretending he was just Sundance1220 Dec 11 #99

He was acting erratic and yes, he was bothering people Bettie Dec 11 #110

I'm not scolding anyone Sundance1220 Dec 12 #119

I find it very sad and disheartening. Quiet Em Dec 9 #67

Agreed. Some punishment seems appropriate. brush Dec 9 #78

Then blame the DA for overcharging Sundance1220 Dec 11 #100

FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison. 4th Dec 9 #76

Thanks. Agreed. There seems to be whiff of maga here on DU of all places. brush Dec 9 #77

Not all deaths require prison manicdem Dec 9 #79

Penny and no one else in that car knew anything about his past... brush Dec 10 #83

Skittles lame54 Dec 9 #80

The way the authorities handled them lame54 Dec 9 #81

One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t Polybius Dec 10 #84

But didn't have sense enough to know not to choke someone for six minutes. brush Dec 10 #87

Seems closer to the cop that killed Sewa Dec 10 #92

That cop that killed Mr. Floyd Sundance1220 Dec 11 #101

He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism... brush Dec 11 #112

As someone who lost a lot of friends on DU over Zimmerman Blue_Tires Dec 10 #95

Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not. mathematic Dec 11 #98

And Mangione. CrispyQ Dec 11 #104

None, they're all ThePartyThatListens Dec 11 #106

Your broad brush is annoying happy feet Dec 11 #108

It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #118