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52. Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars.

Mon Dec 9, 2024, 07:33 PM

Dec 9

Put the person on trial, make sure everyone knows that it's the STATE that has the burden, let the State make its case, and give it to the jury to decide.

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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all] brush Dec 9 OP

People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting WhiskeyGrinder Dec 9 #1

Yes. The cases are a lot closer than they first seem to be... brush Dec 9 #3

The little I know about the case Just_Vote_Dem Dec 9 #6

So do I. B.See Dec 9 #20

Involuntary manslaughter. Lunabell Dec 9 #47

I thought our aspiration here WAS to keep people out of jail. yagotme Dec 9 #7

Oh, please, the man caused the death of another person. brush Dec 9 #8

No, he didn't. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #12

Well, sorry you feel that way... nt yagotme Dec 9 #21

DA overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 11 #97

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse went looking for trouble. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 9 #2

So no punishment at all for causing a man's death? brush Dec 9 #4

Penny didn't cause Neely's death. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #11

Oh, really, choking him for six minutes within an inch of death... brush Dec 9 #15

He wasn't "choking" him. The ME, when she first autopsied Neely's body, Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #35

No. She testified the chokehold was the sole cause of Neely's death Quiet Em Dec 9 #55

After her written report couldn't determine a cause of death Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #63

She did not. Quiet Em Dec 9 #65

It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges MarineCombatEngineer Dec 9 #16

Do you agree that causing another man's death should go unpunished? brush Dec 9 #19

I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 9 #25

Lots of time that is true EX500rider Dec 9 #59

In that scenario, no. But not having enough sense to know not to choke... brush Dec 9 #71

Yes, when twelve people sit in judgement of another Dumpy Dec 9 #69

Ok. But there's still a dead body he caused. Nice dodge though. brush Dec 9 #74

no dodge, follow the law and rules of the justice system. Dumpy Dec 10 #93

The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death... brush Dec 10 #94

Yes, except in the case of self defense, or the defense of others. yagotme Dec 11 #96

Apparently not. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 9 #28

you asked what the difference was. NoRethugFriends Dec 9 #58

Should Jordan Williams have been charged for killing someone? Dr. Strange Dec 11 #103

+1 Celerity Dec 10 #86

All three were acquitted by juries, so no differences there. n/t MichMan Dec 9 #5

So state an opinion. Is that a good thing? brush Dec 9 #10

Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #14

Causing another person's death, though well-intentioned... brush Dec 9 #26

He wasn't "choking" him. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #40

I remember trolls here on DU fought tooth and nail for Rittenhouse. Kingofalldems Dec 9 #9

I was not on the jury, but maybe they know something we don't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 9 #82

It's just how it is Sympthsical Dec 10 #85

What's the difference Cirsium Dec 9 #13

Should or should not is moot at this point. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #18

Hard to keep track Cirsium Dec 9 #24

Not a murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #45

Deaths Cirsium Dec 9 #73

Keep reading the thread. Most seem to thing he should go unpunished. brush Dec 9 #30

I'm sorry, but this case wasn't on my radar. Maybe too much election stuff. LeftInTX Dec 9 #17

I love this idea of "should be found guilty of something" Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #23

What do you think should happen to a person who caused another's death... brush Dec 9 #31

Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #52

So we jail people for what 'might' happen now? Ontheboundry Dec 11 #105

White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death. brush Dec 11 #109

That don't answer my q Ontheboundry Dec 11 #111

Bernie G. went looking for targets. yagotme Dec 9 #29

He didn't have enough sense to know that choking someone for six... brush Dec 9 #34

Obviously, the jury thought differently. yagotme Dec 9 #36

There were attempts to politicize it, but it never caught fire. Sneederbunk Dec 9 #41

Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #22

And he wasn't charged with murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #27

Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #32

A dead body from a choke hold for six minutes is a lack of evidence?Z brush Dec 9 #37

The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #44

The guy didn't have eonugh sense to know choking someone for six minutes... brush Dec 9 #49

I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #51

Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #57

Nice attitude, dude. (sarcasm gif here.) brush Dec 9 #62

I think it speaks to how political "justice" is. DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 9 #33

Maybe racism too. Reverse the choker and the chokee... brush Dec 9 #39

To do (or not) racism is a political choice DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 9 #53

True enough. I think it was at play in this case. brush Dec 9 #56

A black man was also involved in restraining Neely Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #61

He didn't administer a choke hold for six minutes. brush Dec 9 #66

You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 10 #88

Yeah, he held it too long. Six minutes. It was reported on cable... brush Dec 10 #89

"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go! DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 10 #90

Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report. brush Dec 10 #91

Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived? brush Dec 11 #107

I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #113

He caused a death. Went Scott free with not even a wrist slap of a jail... brush Dec 11 #114

If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #115

Penny went too far. Didn't have enough sense to not choke someone.. brush Dec 11 #116

I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #117

Not necessarily cabotnn22 Dec 11 #102

He didn't use a gun, but beyond that not much. alarimer Dec 9 #38

Agreed. Hate to be his wife or girlfriend. brush Dec 9 #42

Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting RockRaven Dec 9 #43

The "others" were ASSISTING him, that I could see. yagotme Dec 9 #50

He killed a homeless black man Bettie Dec 9 #46

He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #48

Wow. You're a nice guy. (sarcasm gif here). brush Dec 9 #54

You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator? Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #60

Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release... brush Dec 9 #64

Sarcasm is a refuge of a weak mind and an incapable soul. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #70

Give it a rest. We know by now with your posts where you stand. brush Dec 9 #72

Ugh Quiet Em Dec 9 #75

We seem to disagree on what higher standards are. brush Dec 9 #68

Are we now pretending he was just Sundance1220 Dec 11 #99

He was acting erratic and yes, he was bothering people Bettie Dec 11 #110

I'm not scolding anyone Sundance1220 Dec 12 #119

I find it very sad and disheartening. Quiet Em Dec 9 #67

Agreed. Some punishment seems appropriate. brush Dec 9 #78

Then blame the DA for overcharging Sundance1220 Dec 11 #100

FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison. 4th Dec 9 #76

Thanks. Agreed. There seems to be whiff of maga here on DU of all places. brush Dec 9 #77

Not all deaths require prison manicdem Dec 9 #79

Penny and no one else in that car knew anything about his past... brush Dec 10 #83

Skittles lame54 Dec 9 #80

The way the authorities handled them lame54 Dec 9 #81

One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t Polybius Dec 10 #84

But didn't have sense enough to know not to choke someone for six minutes. brush Dec 10 #87

Seems closer to the cop that killed Sewa Dec 10 #92

That cop that killed Mr. Floyd Sundance1220 Dec 11 #101

He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism... brush Dec 11 #112

As someone who lost a lot of friends on DU over Zimmerman Blue_Tires Dec 10 #95

Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not. mathematic Dec 11 #98

And Mangione. CrispyQ Dec 11 #104

None, they're all ThePartyThatListens Dec 11 #106

Your broad brush is annoying happy feet Dec 11 #108

It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 11 #118