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Tommy Carcetti

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Tue Dec 10, 2024, 08:32 AM Dec 10

That old Cassandra feeling is back again. [View all]

In 2016, after Trump first won, there were a lot of people insisting, "Don't worry. Trump won't be as extreme a President as he was a candidate. He was probably just saying those things to placate his base to get elected. Now that he'll be President, he'll pivot and be more of a moderate figure. He'll use his business skills to negotiate deals with Democrats in Congress and he'll get some meaningful things done."

I personally knew this was not going to happen, and said so at the time.

Trump took office, and he certainly did not pivot. He was just as extreme and divisive a President as he was a candidate. And I knew the "dealmaker" thing was bullshit from the get-go, because I knew Trump was in fact a very shitty and incompetent businessman and the whole "Art of the Deal" thing was a superficial gimmick. He doesn't know how to get along with other people who think differently than him, and he'll just want to tear them down instead.

Flash forward to 2020 after Trump lost the election. I remember hearing a lot of, "Trump will eventually concede his loss, albeit reluctantly, and just slink back to Mar-a-Lago. But then he'll get to relish playing 'Kingmaker' in helping to choose other Republicans for the next round of elections."

Once again, I knew the "kingmaker" thing would never, ever happen. Trump's ego would not allow him to cede the spotlight to others, even if they appeared to have his blessing. And he would never, ever admit to losing because he's incapable of doing that. He'll incite the worst, most violent of his supporters who are willing to act in his name because those are the ones who pay him homage and are truly loyal to him where others are not.

And lo and behold, there was no concession or peaceful transfer of power. And we had January 6th. And Trump was only interested in crowning himself as his own successor and running again.

Now we are in 2024. I've heard a lot of, "Don't take the whole 'retribution' talk seriously. He's not actually going to go after his opponents for real. That's just Trump being Trump. And we survived his last term, so I'm sure we'll be fine again this go around. Maybe he's learned more. Maybe he'll stand up against Putin this time around and defend Ukraine because he'll see Zelensky as strong and determined, and doesn't he like strong leaders?"

None of that is going to happen. He's dead serious about wanting to go after his opponents, and if he gets a troglodyte like Kash Patel into the FBI, he's going to try to make that happen. He hasn't learned a thing about being a good leader. We barely survived his last term only because of a House majority in the second half and guardrails within the White House. There are no guardrails this time, only sworn loyalists. And he's not going to stand up to Putin or other authoritarians. The only "strong" leaders Trump admires are the authoritarian types. He couldn't care less about strong, principled democratic minded leaders such as Zelensky and he'd just as well see them lose.

I hate to sound so pessimistic this morning but I've seen all the same Pollyannaish optimism about Trump dissolve like sugar in tea as reality sets in. Time and time and time again.

He will not get better. He will only try to make things better for himself, and through that, worse for the rest of us.

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+1, I totally agree. Dave Bowman Dec 10 #1
I was actually pretty shocked there was mucifer Dec 10 #2
It makes for bad TV carpetbagger Dec 10 #13
Well,... those hurricaines were about to get nuked,... magicarpet Dec 10 #39
Yes The Wandering Harper Dec 10 #3
K&R 2naSalit Dec 10 #4
Unfortunately, I agree with you. My slender hope bronxiteforever Dec 10 #5
I get hoping time steps in lonely bird Dec 10 #17
Yeah, time always wins in the end. At least so far anyway. But as an almost 74 year old in excellent KPN Dec 10 #33
Well for the New Year, my wish is that you and I bronxiteforever Dec 10 #48
Good plan! Let's do it! KPN Dec 10 #58
Same dreams and I am 88. That being said, Vance scares the hell out of me. justhanginon Dec 10 #63
He should! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 10 #68
Almost 72 and worried about the exact same thing that worries you, my friend. calimary Dec 10 #60
The only thing Trump is good at ....... SupportSanity Dec 10 #62
IF there is an election in 2028 and IF Democrats manage to win in spite of all the CousinIT Dec 10 #6
Agreed...it's going to be a nightmare Prairie Gates Dec 10 #7
I read parts of a NYT article this morning on an interview with Trump voters. Lonestarblue Dec 10 #12
The fools & the cowards just project onto Trump what they desperately need to believe. They don't do reality. Attilatheblond Dec 10 #16
Agreed lonely bird Dec 10 #18
I think it's more willfull ignorance allowing anger turned to be turned inward through propaganda. "Enemy within" BS Evolve Dammit Dec 10 #49
Plenty of that too. Attilatheblond Dec 10 #52
Have these people been living under a rock for the past 8+ years? DeeDeeNY Dec 10 #29
Idiots ... nt KPN Dec 10 #35
IMO, much of the excuses are BS. They wouldn't vote for Harris if they didn't have that supposed reason DSandra Dec 11 #75
Those people are either lacking in the courage to face the realities, or too dim to take responsiblitiy to see further. Attilatheblond Dec 10 #14
Me too ... over 4 decades. Fortunately or maybe unfortunately, there are many of us KPN Dec 10 #37
In my old age, I am leaning toward 'hopeless' Attilatheblond Dec 10 #45
Count me in the group who has seen this huge partisan divide would lead us to disaster. summer_in_TX Dec 11 #73
Ah, you have far and broad sight and are correct on all your points Attilatheblond Dec 11 #76
Excellent observations. summer_in_TX Dec 11 #82
Ah, another Austin Lounge Lizards fan! Attilatheblond Dec 12 #83
Wicked funny. summer_in_TX Dec 12 #85
They came to Tucson from time to time when I lived there Attilatheblond Dec 12 #86
Found you on BlueSky Attilatheblond Dec 12 #84
Terrific! summer_in_TX Dec 14 #89
He's going to war somewhere Bobstandard Dec 10 #8
Sending Kari Lake to Mexico is a good way to start a war with that nation. Attilatheblond Dec 10 #24
Hilarious. And too true. nt Bobstandard Dec 10 #34
I studied Gallows Humor in school Attilatheblond Dec 10 #44
But was it your major?? Evolve Dammit Dec 10 #50
No, but it is a genetric trait in my family Attilatheblond Dec 10 #53
Ha! I had co-workers and friends that were gifted and talented at it. Evolve Dammit Dec 10 #57
Just pointing out...a post of mine from June 2020: Tommy Carcetti Dec 10 #9
And from October 2020 Tommy Carcetti Dec 10 #10
Yes, you absolutely nailed it, both times FakeNoose Dec 10 #27
Yikes! Prescient. In retrospect, that scenario would absolutely have been the best case minus, KPN Dec 10 #38
Lucy and the football. He is incapable of change. Evolve Dammit Dec 10 #11
This is going to get ugly, and maybe beyond anything we have seen since the 1860s. mackdaddy Dec 10 #15
It's not just Trump. It's Elon Musk energizing Trump's bad decisions. Baitball Blogger Dec 10 #19
Careful! This seems like a manifesto!! Coventina Dec 10 #20
Pollyanna was never about saying things that are not true MadameButterfly Dec 10 #21
Add another to the ones who mwmisses4289 Dec 10 #22
I've Had People Tell Me Not To Panic Deep State Witch Dec 10 #23
Did those people conveniently forget BumRushDaShow Dec 10 #32
The very rich want $ to go into the US Treasury, just not any of THIER money. That means a big national sales tax Attilatheblond Dec 10 #40
Cassandra wasn't believed. You are Maeve Dec 10 #25
All that and bird flu trying to mutate to hit humans, monkey pox, oh, and Solar Maximum Attilatheblond Dec 10 #43
Thank you, well said wendyb-NC Dec 10 #26
They won't leave power in 2029. They will have to be evicted. bucolic_frolic Dec 10 #28
Trump learns the wrong lessons bmichaelh Dec 10 #30
So we're assuming Trump learns. SupportSanity Dec 11 #79
Nailed it. nt GiqueCee Dec 10 #31
Trump is incapable of being a "good leader". YodaMom2 Dec 10 #36
Spot on summation. 3catwoman3 Dec 11 #74
Yes of course. Susan Calvin Dec 10 #41
Common sense isn't common anymore SupportSanity Dec 11 #78
I don't understand his supporters having second thoughts TexasBushwhacker Dec 10 #42
You are exactly correct. camartinwv Dec 10 #46
It's simple. What they say they'll do, they won't... malthaussen Dec 10 #47
Watch what they do, not what they say. SupportSanity Dec 11 #77
Americans live with perpetual hope Tweedy Dec 10 #51
My main recollection was the constant: 'Give Trump a chance' after 2016 peggysue2 Dec 10 #54
Egos and natural disasters may do him in SARose Dec 10 #55
Then, My Friend... DAngelo136 Dec 10 #56
I've never had any such illusions about Donnie Blue_Tires Dec 10 #59
We told them the leopards would eat their faces off. sakabatou Dec 10 #61
sucks doesn't it ? proud patriot Dec 10 #64
Yep. He wouldn't be nominating Kash Patel otherwise. This is a guy who would love nothing more than to punish those Karasu Dec 10 #65
Dementia J lies about everything, so I have no idea what he'll do Hassler Dec 10 #66
Agreed, Tommy Carcetti spanone Dec 10 #67
If we don't stop staring at the trump trainwreck, we'll never win in 2028. ancianita Dec 10 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 10 #70
Agree Meowmee Dec 10 #71
I agree, however... RainCaster Dec 10 #72
Yep. I remember saying that with him, every day will be worse than the last. W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #80
And I hate to say it,.our leadership seems clueless and out of touch JCMach1 Dec 11 #81
Post removed Post removed Dec 13 #87
Buh-bye. nt Tommy Carcetti Dec 13 #88
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