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Self Esteem

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34. Harris didn't lose because she lost white men.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:03 PM
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She lost because she saw significant drops in support among Hispanics, Asians and even Blacks compared to Biden and Hillary.

The real issue is that Democrats are losing minority support. Harris actually did marginally better among white voters than Biden in 2020. That would have been enough to win had she also won voters of color by the same margins as Biden in 2020.

Truth is, Democrats do need to figure out what's drawing minorities to Trump and the Republicans. We heard for the past year, when polls showed Trump making gains with this demographic that it was fake news and not believable... and yet it happened.

Why?

Why did Harris do worse among Black women than Hillary? Or Black men than both Biden and Hillary?

Hispanic men overwhelmingly went for Obama, Hillary and Biden in the three previous elections but then shifted Trump.

Focusing on white voters, whether male or female, won't help if Democrats continue to lose support among minority voters.

The truth is, Trump did better with Black and Hispanic voters than any Republican since Ford (with Blacks) and any Republican since at least before 1976 with Hispanics.

Is that a blip or a change? Because Democrats won't win the White House again if Republicans are winning 13% of the Black vote (was only 8% in 2016) and 46% of the Hispanic vote (was 28% in 2016).

In eight years, Democrats went from a margin of +81 with Black voters to +73 and +38 with Hispanics to +5.

Democrats won't win many national elections again with numbers like that. So, the question we need to be asking is why the shift? Why did Hispanics dramatically break from the party despite Trump's plans for mass-deportations? That answer is more significant than why white men vote Trump. Democrats don't need many white men to win. They absolutely need Black men and Hispanic men to win and both demographics are shifting pretty hard against the party.

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What about white women Keepthesoulalive Wednesday #1
Religion get the red out Wednesday #2
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Speaking of which, how come it's always about white kids angst? Never about black children and their distress. cbabe Wednesday #28
Because it resonates with racist Keepthesoulalive Wednesday #55
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America is based on myths and lies Keepthesoulalive Wednesday #63
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Keepthesoulalive ........... Upthevibe Wednesday #40
Exit polls are not the actual results happy feet Wednesday #47
Wait for the Pew validated voter studies to be finished. spooky3 Wednesday #95
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Evangelical and Born Again Christians... pandr32 Wednesday #29
That's true and also because our party, in its values and its governing Walleye Wednesday #30
Harris didn't lose because she lost white men. Self Esteem Wednesday #34
Never has false propaganda Mblaze Wednesday #45
Maybe so but then we've got to figure out how to counter the messaging... Self Esteem Wednesday #72
We know that a significant number of Muslims voted for Trump... keep_left Wednesday #56
It is possible 2024 turns out to be an anomaly election. Self Esteem Wednesday #74
I'm curious, where are you getting the numbers in those polls? keep_left Wednesday #75
They're linked in my posts. Self Esteem Wednesday #88
Duh...should have just subtracted to get the margins. keep_left Wednesday #91
Because of psychological warfare by Russia Farmer-Rick Wednesday #57
Your points are reasonable and I agree with your conclusions, as far as they go FakeNoose Wednesday #60
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Yes, she did. That one group, especially white men without spooky3 Wednesday #93
Harris did better than Biden among white men and women. Self Esteem Thursday #107
The next Democratic candidate for president SidneyR Wednesday #37
And wryter2000 Wednesday #39
There may never again be "voting" DENVERPOPS Wednesday #67
how exactly are they going to take over voting in blue states? thebigidea Wednesday #69
Well, DENVERPOPS Wednesday #80
I believe there will be open voter intimidation again Arazi Wednesday #86
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I have always thought that Mblaze Wednesday #43
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Joe in 2020 Jimbo S Wednesday #59
yeah well we are paying for that now Skittles Wednesday #97
The sooner we stop trying to BlueSky3 Wednesday #62
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Trump did not promise to improve the lives of his voters. He promised to punish the people his voters wanted to hurt. LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #71
Trump isn't a tough guy, he's a bully. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday #73
Nope. It's still because they're stupid. flvegan Wednesday #76
Where I'm at today JustAnotherGen Wednesday #78
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Maybe. egduj Wednesday #89
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