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Jarqui

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18. Trump is a criminal

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:09 PM

Dec 11

4 grand juries concluded Trump probably committed the crimes he was indicted for
The federal conviction rate for an indicted person is over 90%

No one should be above the law.

You can pardon for a miscarriage of justice - like Hunter got pardoned for.

You can't use the election because Elon Musk blew $250 mil and the rest of the oligarchs who controlled the media made sure Americans did not get the full accurate facts about Trump before they went to the polls.

You don't pardon someone like that.

You cannot rely on an election outcome obtained the way this one was: with massive deception.

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Clyburn is wrong. [View all] EndlessWire Dec 11 OP

K&R Think. Again. Dec 11 #1

K&R Docreed2003 Dec 11 #2

Giving a ruthless, dangerous psychopath more power is very dangerous. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #3

"Giving a ruthless, dangerous psychopath more power" speak easy Dec 12 #62

Write to the White House Felicita Dec 12 #67

Agree, prison for trump republianmushroom Dec 11 #4

I know one thing, 3 years of trying to put trump in jail didn't gain us any votes. In fact, Silent Type Dec 11 #5

False. W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #13

biden, garland, and wray proved that we are feckless and ineffective rampartd Dec 11 #14

We is who? KPN Dec 11 #29

Personally, Pence should have ordered a firing squad midnight Jan 6th. I don't think anyone would have said Silent Type Dec 11 #22

Here, here!! ECL213 Dec 12 #59

I'm going to stick with doing what's right, avoiding doing what's wrong krkaufman Dec 11 #21

Who thought it would gain votes? I didn't. It was still the right thing to do. Wingus Dingus Dec 12 #46

Do what? He walked. He beat us. Silent Type Dec 12 #47

Do you only do the right thing when you're sure to gain some material benefit? Wingus Dingus Dec 12 #48

You win, I support eating/bashing/shunning Clyburn, Fetterman, Shapiro, etc. Silent Type Dec 12 #49

Wait--what did Shapiro do? Lulu KC Dec 12 #70

On a brighter note... Conjuay Dec 12 #58

+1. Many of us will spend the next four years -- when BREAKING NEW starts flashing -- hoping this is the big one. Silent Type Dec 12 #63

What harm will come to trump if he is not pardoned? BOSSHOG Dec 11 #6

Exactly. NONE. Even after he leaves office he'll drag out whatever anyone does Callie1979 Dec 12 #76

Yes it is really twilight zone worthy Meowmee Dec 11 #7

Agreed Mad_Machine76 Dec 11 #8

+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 11 #9

IMHO Timewas Dec 11 #10

If he had actually been punished, then you can make a case for clemency CanonRay Dec 11 #11

I agree. He does not deserve a pardon. Trueblue1968 Dec 11 #31

I feel that pardoning him would send a signal of weakness and submission Crunchy Frog Dec 11 #12

It would alienate me as well. No more interest after that, just give up stage. lostnfound Dec 11 #25

Maybe . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 11 #15

I think it's personal, not generational... whathehell Dec 12 #79

It's fuckin' Lucy and the football routine! poli-junkie Dec 11 #16

Ford pardoning Nixon lead to tRump. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 11 #17

I was dead wrong SCantiGOP Dec 11 #24

Of Course It Did DallasNE Dec 11 #42

Trump is a criminal Jarqui Dec 11 #18

Totally agree vapor2 Dec 11 #19

If he was pardoned KT2000 Dec 11 #20

Can Biden do a conditional pardon? "I hereby pardon the MFing POS on condition he passes Democratic Silent Type Dec 11 #23

You would trust the liar? Felicita Dec 12 #66

Agree, but if he volates the conditions the Pardon would be rescinded. Silent Type Dec 12 #68

Brian Tyler Cohen says it best; djacq Dec 11 #26

This was excellent explanation of how I feel and an awesome recap. SamKnause Dec 12 #52

Pardoning Trump is the worst idea I've ever heard dlk Dec 11 #27

He SOLD our secrets to Putin. Why the fuck are these people talking about onecaliberal Dec 11 #28

K&R UTUSN Dec 11 #30

"Zero Tolerance" BurnDoubt Dec 11 #32

What's in it for Clyburn? jalan48 Dec 11 #33

I guess I'm behind enough to not even have heard this, but I can't even fathom the "logic" behind it JHB Dec 11 #34

Pardon the mother Fucker FHRRK Dec 11 #35

Really? IF we get to genuinely vote again. You Do want our Democracy as Imperfect as it is back, don't you? electric_blue68 Dec 11 #40

Really! FHRRK Dec 12 #43

They tried to take My vote Away, too! What, then. Keep voting, or letting Repugs win by not voting? Things are like... electric_blue68 Dec 12 #45

Pardoning Nixon was the undoing of the country. Hope22 Dec 11 #36

Also letting Hitler's allies in the USA get away with it. GreenWave Dec 12 #80

True! Hope22 Dec 12 #81

I do not agree with Clyburn. LittleGirl Dec 11 #37

I respect Clyburn, and he's Wrong on This Issue!... electric_blue68 Dec 11 #38

Why does he need a pardon with presidential immunity? Nt Hope22 Dec 11 #39

Clyburn is 84 years old. generalbetrayus Dec 11 #41

I have been catching up True Blue American Dec 12 #55

Trump has no mercy bmichaelh Dec 12 #44

Pardon the head insurrectionist, classified documents thief, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 12 #50

You are correct, Clyburn is wrong, very wrong. SamKnause Dec 12 #51

well said Meowmee Dec 12 #53

Also... Mike Nelson Dec 12 #54

He actually used the verb "targeted" BeyondGeography Dec 12 #56

Thank you bdamomma Dec 12 #57

I heard someone say on the Thom Hartmann show that Clyburn made a deal Clouds Passing Dec 12 #60

trump is the fallout for pardoning Nixon. Pardoning trump just furthers the injustice of it...nt Wounded Bear Dec 12 #61

No way should Biden pardon Trump. That is an insane suggestion. Martin68 Dec 12 #64

Well said! Felicita Dec 12 #65

No pardon, that is not justice Progressive dog Dec 12 #69

Serious question Lulu KC Dec 12 #71

It's just another form of "obeying in advance." returnee Dec 12 #72

"..beyond furious." Yes indeed. Evolve Dammit Dec 12 #73

very well said. Evolve Dammit Dec 12 #74

K&R !!! iluvtennis Dec 12 #75

Only positive I see is it would be embarrassing for Trump. Callie1979 Dec 12 #77

Couldn't agree more. FoxNewsSucks Dec 12 #78

Clyburn has a bad habit of being ThePartyThatListens Dec 12 #82

It's that old definition of insanity... Shipwack Dec 12 #83

President Biden should not pardon trump LetMyPeopleVote Dec 13 #84