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lonely bird

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49. Hmmm.

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:06 PM

Dec 12

Neither am I afraid.

I am afraid we have not been visited. I do think that there is intelligent life. I also think that the likely only method of travel to overcome the distances involved is manipulation of space-time. Travel at near light speed would require ships containing multi-generational populations with an extremely varied gene pool. In addition, the social/psychological impact of leaving the home planet would be enormous. We have 7+ billion here and look at the destructive nature of humanity. Compress that population down into say 10,000 people in a very small, relatively speaking, space and the odds of destruction, imo, skyrocket.

We have no way of knowing anything about other life forms. That being said we inevitably make the assumption that they are carbon-based, require oxygen to breathe, water to drink and what we consider food to eat. We humanize them because we are human.

Beyond that, technologically advanced species would, again, imo, either go out of their way to be undetected or they would think us unimportant. As beneath them as ants or insects are beneath us.

As for eye witness accounts? Unreliable. Do I think that people who claim they have seen something are lying? No. I think that they believe it. Which is not the same as having seen something. Was Fatima real? I have no idea. In the end it does not matter.

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I am not afraid to post this: [View all] PCIntern Dec 12 OP

A long time ago, I knew someone who had close contact with Betty and Barney Hill. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 12 #1

And others... PCIntern Dec 12 #2

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I also Believe Timewas Dec 12 #3

I agree we are not alone. Delmette2.0 Dec 13 #72

Frightening Timewas Dec 13 #73

Yep, I hope we are just to dumb to be bothered. Delmette2.0 Dec 13 #75

If they land a Mar-a-lumbago they will wipe us out. hadEnuf Dec 13 #120

My theory FWIW OrangeJoe Dec 13 #124

One of my points of reluctance is HOW they would get here. Ursus Rex Dec 13 #89

There is intelligent life in the Universe... Omnipresent Dec 13 #128

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Agree 100% PCinfern bluestarone Dec 12 #4

I think this topic is of evergreen interest that crops up now and again. I don't think we can prove one way or another CTyankee Dec 12 #5

I wrote a brief synopsis in soandso's post PCIntern Dec 12 #8

I fully concur alittlelark Dec 12 #6

I'm a skeptic. Waiting for irrefutable proof. Or at least something a lot better than what we've seen. Bonx Dec 12 #7

I'm with you True Dough Dec 12 #61

Am in agreement. I'm skeptical but open-minded. Do believe that visitors would be arriving allegorical oracle Dec 13 #67

And in an era of AI, we have to be even more guarded True Dough Dec 13 #68

As has been said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. cloudbase Dec 12 #9

That would include the extraordinary claim PCIntern Dec 12 #10

Earth is sort of the proof in my view. BannonsLiver Dec 12 #15

Kind of speaks to Drake's equation, though Sympthsical Dec 12 #59

Given the numbers, I don't believe we're the only life in the universe. cloudbase Dec 13 #64

Conspiracy theorist... Clouds Passing Dec 12 #11

Don't forget the Prime Directive DoBW Dec 12 #12

I'm going to go out on a limb here. usonian Dec 12 #13

Thanks for going out on a limb and posting this. TheRickles Dec 12 #14

I was 14 and was at a Lake in Northern California camping and we all saw these lights that came down and swooped kimbutgar Dec 12 #24

Crop Circles Were Made by Supernatural Forces. Named Doug and Dave. Abolishinist Dec 12 #44

Their efforts were debunked many years ago. Some major problems: TheRickles Dec 13 #66

Your referenced website is a travel site established by Monique Klinkenbergh, Abolishinist Dec 13 #94

Your article about Monique is from 2014. Her site now highlights the importance of obtaining farmers' permission. TheRickles Dec 13 #102

The crop circle debunkers have been thoroughly debunked Sugarcoated Dec 13 #95

Huh? Crop circles (as constructed by aliens) have been thoroughly debunked. Disaffected Dec 12 #47

I believe humans desire for it to be true. They love to have belief in the strong probability, or absolutness of the DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 12 #16

Some Intelligent people have these conversations G_j Dec 12 #17

I agree PC BonnieJW Dec 12 #18

"so vast", you mean the one started by the big bang and that it has a lot of suns and planets? nt DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 12 #31

Again I wonder, who are all these people who claim Disaffected Dec 12 #42

Hey what's 13.8 billion light years amongst friends? Dave says Dec 12 #46

The other part of the question is time Hieronymus Phact Dec 13 #118

Is it possible? Absolutely. Have I seen any evidence? No. Think. Again. Dec 12 #19

Point taken: PCIntern Dec 12 #21

Oh well, like the poor I guess, Disaffected Dec 12 #20

Lotta video out there PCIntern Dec 12 #22

Well then, where is it? Why not cite some of it here? Disaffected Dec 12 #25

Here's one: PCIntern Dec 13 #88

Yes, which has yet to show up. Disaffected Dec 13 #113

I kind of hope these drones are aliens and they are going to zap up all the evil repukes kimbutgar Dec 12 #23

Start with the billionaires. rubbersole Dec 12 #54

Plot twist! berksdem Dec 13 #105

He does look like an alien I've seen in movies kimbutgar Dec 13 #110

Hea ive been wishing slightlv Dec 13 #107

K n R Faux pas Dec 12 #26

I would be amazed to find out we were the only beings (I had to take out intelligent after recent events) in the MLAA Dec 12 #27

The "official" explanation for Roswell has always been a joke to me Callie1979 Dec 12 #28

CHeck out the Phoenix Lights documentary Amaryllis Dec 12 #29

What amazed me at the time was how many people just dismissed it LiberalLovinLug Dec 13 #99

You might love the film, "The Gods Must be Crazy." It's hilarious.... Sogo Dec 13 #100

have rewatched it many times! Amaryllis Dec 13 #111

That was an exciting night. Mike 03 Dec 14 #138

This is a great time for DU to re-launch as a UFO site. bucolic_frolic Dec 12 #30

Well, that's my point... PCIntern Dec 12 #32

The flat earth people say the same shit. It's a nice disrtraction I guess from not having evidence thebigidea Dec 13 #104

Why stop there? ... littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #79

I hope they are the cavalry Marthe48 Dec 12 #33

this thread made me think of the old Sci Fi movie "They live" proud patriot Dec 12 #34

I like to look up... stillcool Dec 12 #35

Maybe it's the NJ "drone" thing Dave says Dec 12 #36

You might be thinking of Art Bell. Delmette2.0 Dec 13 #74

That's the guy and that's the show! Dave says Dec 13 #84

I use to listen to him every night. Delmette2.0 Dec 13 #97

Just chiming in osteopath6 Dec 12 #37

I try to keep an open mind exmodee Dec 12 #38

Physics rules. cachukis Dec 12 #39

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence PJMcK Dec 12 #40

Stop making sense! NoRethugFriends Dec 12 #62

Wow Wiz Imp Dec 12 #41

Yup. Xipe Totec Dec 12 #52

Oh really... PCIntern Dec 13 #76

I can't argue with that. Xipe Totec Dec 13 #134

hah NJCher Dec 12 #43

Exactly right. There are people who shut discussions like this down, citing 'physics' and other nonsense, SWBTATTReg Dec 13 #123

tldr NJCher Dec 13 #125

Good for you, don't read it then. But you still had to make a sarcastic remark. Nice. SWBTATTReg Dec 13 #130

It wouldn't surprise me if it was "something/someone" else FirstLight Dec 12 #45

I can't who said it "What an awesome thing if there is life out there, what an awesome thing if there isn't" Swede Dec 12 #48

Arthur C. Clarke...maybe... Kid Berwyn Dec 13 #71

Hmmm. lonely bird Dec 12 #49

"The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street" 3825-87867 Dec 12 #50

"they may not be the benevolent hope of mankind" Dave Bowman Dec 13 #81

nor should you be rajuncajdim Dec 12 #51

i have felt this way a very long time AllaN01Bear Dec 12 #53

From Ghostbusters. 3825-87867 Dec 12 #55

From your first paragraph: NewLarry Dec 12 #56

Well said NewLarry... berksdem Dec 13 #106

KnR Hekate Dec 12 #57

I beg to differ IbogaProject Dec 12 #58

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 12 #60

Thank You DET Dec 13 #63

Thank you for posting this soandso Dec 13 #65

Honestly, does it actually matter? OldEuropean Dec 13 #69

Childhood's End justaprogressive Dec 13 #70

I just started a series of paintings that are copies of cave art bif Dec 13 #77

I really like your work! I checked out a few other dates, for example May 2019. Abolishinist Dec 13 #96

Thanks!I mostly paint in acrylics bif Dec 13 #115

"...posing as non-believers..." Rob H. Dec 13 #78

I was just about to address the "posing as a nonbeliever" Croney Dec 13 #82

"And if there's life on other planets Tbear Dec 13 #90

Sounds just like certain theological discussions I avoid. Basso8vb Dec 13 #80

If sentient ETs are here out of concern for the planet, maybe they're going to come out... CoopersDad Dec 13 #83

I'm with you, but in no rush vanessa_ca Dec 13 #85

I appreciate your post. Mike 03 Dec 13 #86

Rule of thumb: PCIntern Dec 13 #87

PCIntern is a reliable observer, although I am skeptical on this subject. /nt philly_bob Dec 13 #114

sci-fi movies bigtree Dec 13 #91

The "landing strips" in South America made BC could not have been created by people on the ground. Mayans/Incas. Evolve Dammit Dec 13 #92

People shouldn't be afraid to speak out Sugarcoated Dec 13 #93

Generally, I've noticed a lot more rudeness lately. Joinfortmill Dec 13 #98

Jimmy Carter asked CIA Director Bush to brief him on UFOs, and Bush Kid Berwyn Dec 13 #101

not necessarily specific to your current subject, but there ARE reasons to "censor" ridiculous "theories" Kali Dec 13 #103

Post removed Post removed Dec 13 #119

"In the absence of evidence it is a capital mistake to theorize." cer7711 Dec 13 #108

It has likely already occurred PCIntern Dec 13 #109

I hope there are aliens and I hope they hot af too. LoveSucky Dec 13 #112

I figured they were offspring of that big pregnant white balloon that no one talks about anymore. Montauk6 Dec 13 #116

The Universe is vast, far beyond our understanding inspite of all our technological advances. HeartsCanHope Dec 13 #117

Agree. Elessar Zappa Dec 13 #121

Only arrogance would make someone believe that we are alone in the universe. OldBaldy1701E Dec 13 #122

Jeez. Iggo Dec 13 #126

I'm not afraid for you to post this also! marble falls Dec 13 #127

Finally caught a report on MSNBC with Katy Tur, and she was very focused, had good guests... Hekate Dec 13 #129

I am not afraid either ms.pamela Dec 13 #131

So long, and thanks for all the fish". EarnestPutz Dec 13 #132

I concur! The very tech we're using here could likely be of Alien origin... MartyTheGreek Dec 13 #133

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